Help With Wurlitzer Statesman 3400 (First Juke)

Hello Phonoland,

I'm a new member and I come here because I've heard good things about this place and it's members. I'm primarily a collector of coin-operated video arcade games but I finally scored a Jukebox for my basement arcade:

It's a Wurlitzer Statesman 3400 and I paid $100 for it.

I'm completely new to Jukeboxes but have repaired arcade boards, amps, PSUs, monitors, etc., thanks to the help of my fellow KLOVers over at the Vintage Arcade Preservation Society's forums, so I'm pretty confident I can get this going with the right knowledge / help. This thing is 15 years older than me!

The power cord was all kinds of rotted so I replaced it and plugged the juke in to see where I was starting from. It looked like this:

Pretty right?

I make a selection and the bottom-half of the carousel rotates, it stops, and the selected buttons pop back out again. Several more tries and the same occurs:

(This part)

The top of the carousel never spins.
EDIT: I tried geezer49's suggestion from here:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=161088
...this issue still persists.

The turntable drive belt was all rotted away but there where two spares randomly laying in the bottom of the cab so I replaced it with the better of the two and if I manually pull the turntable lever to the left, it does spin but it seems slower than 45rpm?

Here is a view from the top:


From what I have read online, the amp is a 550?:

If anything in the amp is bad, would that cause any of these failures? I assume most of the operations are handled by the "junction box"? I plan on doing a cap kit for it either way.

For sure, I am missing at least:
*The six screws that hold the middle back panel on the back of the cabinet
*The needle

I just ordered an original service manual so that should help a lot, but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on where to start or what to try to get this machine working?

Hi,
My advise, for what it's worth is printed above (along with other advise), in the phonograph section.I would suggest that all of the announcement/sticky posts be read, especially the "Attn. Newbies" posts, by all. Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Hi,
My advise, for what it's worth is printed above (along with other advise), in the phonograph section.I would suggest that all of the announcement/sticky posts be read, especially the "Attn. Newbies" posts, by all. Ron Rich

Ok, consulting the manual, it would seem that after I make a selection, the Selection Accumulator rotates and stops and the selection buttons pop back up, but because the magazine never turns, could it be the Magazine Lock Solenoid, Magazine Lock Switch, or Magazine Drive Motor? Are the Selection Accumulator and Magazine supposed to turn at the same time? I would assume so that the selected record is under the Record Takeout Arm when the assembly stops.

Are the Selection Accumulator and Magazine supposed to turn at the same time?

No, carousel begins rotation after pin displacement. I am not familiar enough with these later Wurlitzer mechs ( i avoided them due to plastic parts known to crack) .

It should be possible to start the carousel-play sequence by manually tripping a pin.

The actual credit-select-search sequence is identical to the previous mech. The differences are mostly due to the desire to make the carousel more compact and thus a more accurate means of indexing-detenting the carousel to the tighter spacing resulted in typical German over-engineering (obviously, just my opinion). Those models do have very good sound systems and the tonearm is much improved.

You might also try here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wurlitzer/info

Rob-NYC

Rob,
You are incorrect here--
The 3400 on up series WurliTzers do NOT start the magazine motor when a pin is released as do the older models--they eliminated the wobble plate, and went with a (IMHO) very poor copy of the Seeburg "Scan Control" system. This unit rides on top of the mech shelf in the center rear next to the basket and is supposed to be covered (almost always missing as someone has already been "a messing" in there !).
See the Service manual for PROPER adjustment -caution, contact blades are (once again, my opinion), too thin--bend easy !! . Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Rob,
You are incorrect here--
The 3400 on up series WurliTzers do NOT start the magazine motor when a pin is released as do the older models--they eliminated the wobble plate,.... Ron Rich

You are right, I knew they eliminated the wobble (no place for it) but drew a blank as to what replaced it.

You pointed out the slip ring contact problems on these mechs, that was one of the areas where I felt that this design was a step backwards in inherent reliability. The other was the plastic gear and cam assembly in the gripper. Three machines of that era were offered to me for $50 and one was 'just take it" but they all had the 'click of death" from appeared to be broken gears.

Rob

Hi Rob,
I have never run into one of these that had any problems with the "Nylon gears"--I have run into a few of them that have had a broken Nylon (record) "pick-up finger", within the gripper. I THINK this is the same part that was also used by WurliTzer GMBH ?? .
Ron Rich

I found and purchased all the missing covers! Sorry for my delay, it seems my 5 month old keeps me busy.

I consulted the manual for adjustments to this assembly and noticed there is a breaker for the magazine lock so I pressed it to reset the circuit and now the magazine tries to turn if the mode switch is set to run or scan but it can't. I'm guessing because the lock won't disengage? I did not let it try for more than about a second as I did not want to burn anything up.

The manual also mentions a bulb that the magazine assembly uses to help position the magazine and although I see it in the diagram, I don't see it in the juke. The part it references appears to be sandwiched between the metal plate that the magazine is mounted to and the brackets attached to the side of the cabinet. I tried taking the front centre grille off and still can't see it. Does this sound familiar?

You can seethe lock assembly--is i pulling out of the way ?? If not, "someone" has miss-adjusted the solenoid--simple !
When the solenoid is energized it moves the arm out of the way and at that time closes the motor run Micro Switch, right there-----my bet is the motor, and/or gears are binding due to lack of proper oil !
As for a lamp --- I do not recall if/where it is in that phono--but my great but not too long memory says, if there, it is in the selection circuit, not the "basket stop" circuit ? (MAY be located in the junction box ?? ) Ron Rich