Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

Electrically amplified phonographs or radio/phonographs and related components (approx. 1928-1990).



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Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by dbynum » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:01 am

I have a Victrola Model VE10-35X record player, serial number 6923, but can't find any information about it anywhere including when it was made and the current value of it. I've only found info about the VE10-50 model. Can someone help?

I also have a matching cabinet with it that holds 78 rpm records as well as a large number of 78 rpm records.


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Re: Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by Joe_DS » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:00 am

The VE 10-35 X is only listed on this page of the Victor-Victrola page -- http://www.victor-victrola.com/Production%20Volumes.htm New data is added all the time, so check back there from time to time.

In any event, here's the information from "Look for the Dog," by Robert Baumbach, 1994 ed. -- P. 210

Ten-Thirty-Five" Introduced 1928; Original Price -- $365.00

"The 1928 Automatic Orthophonic Victrola 10-35 used the second style of automatic changer designed by Victor, which was somewhat simpler and less expensive than the original changer introduced nearly two years earlier. The cabinet was also simpler in construction and smaller in size than that of the original Automatic Orthophonic, the 10-50, with the result that the price of this machine was nearly half that of the older model.

This was the least expensive instrument with an automatic record changer ever made by the Victor Talking Machine Co. There were no options with this Victrola--you liked the walnut cabinet and electric motor (the universal motor was available on special order for $20 extra) or chose a different phonograph. Standard, too, were all the expected deluxe Victor Orthophonic features such as the non set automatic brake, speed adjuster, ten inch turntable, with antique brass finish, and four special record albums--all were 12 inches high, but two were fitted with 10-inch sleeves. The cabinet was 40.5 inches high, 34.75 inches wide, and 20 inches deep."

As noted in Robert Baumbach's Victor Data Book, this was fitted with the large metal re-entrant horn. (It measures six feet in length, according to some collectors, and is identical to the one installed in the 8-35, 9-8 and 9-9.) The book also states that only 3,082 were shipped between the third quarter of 1928 and the fourth quarter of 1930. (RCA acquired Victor in 1929.) The 1931 RCA Victor replacement parts list indicates that the final serial number was 11177. (There is a gap in serial numbers due to recalled record changers)

As for current value, it would probably be close to a 10-50, or about $2,000+++ depending on condition; perhaps more since it is comparatively rare. To be frank, I've never seen a complete 10-35 come up for sale on ebay, or anywhere. (There was an empty cabinet model on Craigslist, awhile back, and I believe that the seller wanted about $300 for it.)

If at all possible, could you please post some photos of this, especially the changing mechanism, and front of cabinet, with the doors closed as well as open (to show the grille.)


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Re: Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by dbynum » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:57 am

Joe_DS, sorry for taking so long to respond. Pictures of the Victrola record player and a matching record cabinet for it are located at:

http://pictures.aol.com/ap/viewShare.do ... Xp6w%3d%3d

I'm not sure if the turntable itself is original or not. If you look at the inside view pic it looks like the base for the turntable has been replaced with a plywood board though the turntable itself looks fairly old so it may be original. From the back view you'll see that it has the original vaccum tubes and other parts as far as I can tell.


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Re: Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by shane » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:43 am

The changer/turntable is old, but not original. That would be why the plywood has been used to replace the original motor board. It's a shame Victor used so much cheap potmetal in the production of their models.


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Re: Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by Joe_DS » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:08 am

What you have is a victrola that has been substantially modified from its original state. At some time, all of the internal components had been removed and replaced with "more modern" equipment; though some of it, such as the installation of the electronic vacuum tube amplifier and loudspeaker, may have been done shortly after it was manufactured.

In its original state, as described in my post above, the 10-35 was fitted with an acoustic phonograph, known as an "Orthophonic Victrola." (See http://www.victor-victrola.com for more information about this.)

The phonograph portion of the 10-35 did not use electrical amplification. Rather, it employed a mechanical "sound box " fitted to a long hollow tone arm that fed into a large, metal, folded six foot horn. The sound box was equipped with an aluminum diaphragm which vibrated as the needled tracked the record groove. These vibrations were transferred through the tone arm into the horn chamber.

But while the phonograph portion was mechanically amplified, the 10-35's turntable and changer were electrically powered. The original changer was designed to place a single record on the turntable, play it, remove the record, and replace it with another. (The one you have was fitted with a later-era changer--probably late 1930s -- which simply drops one record on top of another.)

You can see some nice detailed images of the original changer-- and other components including the sound box, tone arm, turntable, and back side of the horn, at this site --

http://www.myvintagetv.com/updatepages1 ... r_1035.htm

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Re: Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by Record-changer » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:41 pm

That's a World-War-II-era Webster-Chicago 46, or 146, made from 1940 to 1948.

The turntable was probably replaced because the 10-35 changer broke records made with the substandard materials available during the rationing after 1939. Japan had captured the supply of shellac.

Actually, if that knob in the left rear is a 33 - 78 control (or a 2-position fast-slow control), that is a model 246 made in 1948 and 1949, and the replacement was made because of the LP record.

A photo of the original changer (Improved Orthophonic) is found
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Re: Victrola Model VE10-35X record player

by vitanola » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:14 am

It appears that your "matching record cabinet" is a Victor Electrola Cromwell (1926) with the original mechanism removed, and the legs amputated.

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