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Question with RCA Victor label
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:20 am
by kl12_2007
I found a His master voice record with HMV's trade mark, i.e. a dog with a gramophone , plus an angel on the below. It comes in 10inch with 33rpm.
Do anyone know when it was made? Is it made after EMI have bought HMV Victor?
Re: Question with RCA Victor label
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:55 pm
by ks45
Wow!! That was a mouthfull.....
The Nipper trade mark is not owned by RCA Victor......it began in the UK over a hundred years ago and was associated ,at first with the production of Emile Berliner grammophone machines.The Grammophone Co. in England( later to become EMI) owned the trademark and RCA were granted use of it in the USA .
EMI's use of the logo on their HMV label is what you've probably seen. In the 1950's,HMV had the right to release US RCA Victor material in Europe(just a coincidence)but by 1959 Decca won that contract and provided Victor with its own European RCA label
What you seem to have is a 10
Re: Question with RCA Victor label
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:22 am
by Joe_DS
Here are a few "histories" of the HMV logo/trademark:
THE HISTORY OF NIPPER AND "HIS MASTERS VOICE" --
http://www.danbbs.dk/~erikoest/nipper.htmWikipedia article -- HMV --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMVNipper and the Story of His Master's Voice --
http://www.nipperhead.com/nipperf2.htmI've always found it interesting that while the "Victor Talking Machine Company" (acquired by RCA in 1929) began using the HMV logo shortly after the company was formed in 1901, The Gramophone Company (also DBA -- Gramophone & Typewriter Ltd. for a short period), which also held a license to use the trademark, did not put it on their labels until circa 1908. Prior to that, the "Recording Angel" was used as their trademark.
Also see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Tal ... ne_Companyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_CompanyVarious Labels used by the Gramophone Co: --
http://www.cris.com/~oakapple/gasdisc/matrix2.htm (includes illustrations of early "Recording Angel" logo)
Re: Question with RCA Victor label
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:35 am
by ks45
The questioner mentioned 10" 33...so it is more likely a 78. Sometimes its difficult to realise that all the terms that we take for granted are unknown to others.
At a junk shop a while back, a woman was selling 45's in a box marked "33"....... 78's in a box marked "45" and LP's in a box marked "78".
She thought that the smallest sizes had the lowest numbers!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Question with RCA Victor label
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:56 pm
by kl12_2007
Re: Question with RCA Victor label
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:26 am
by Record-changer
In the years between World War I and World War II, isolationism reared its ugly head. Several governments, including the United Kingdom and Germany, required foreign companies operating within their borders to divest their holdings, and domestic companies to stop operating overseas. Victor, Columbia, and Decca were victims of this government greed.
Victor was split into three companies:
- The German company we know know as Deutche Grammophon
- The American Victor Talking Machine Company, later to become RCA Victor
- The British company His Master's Voice
Since the trademark laws were not international, each of these three companies got the use of the "nipper" painting as a trademark in their own countries. But this then caused a marketing problem, because these companies could not sell records in the other two countries, due to the trademark ownerships by different companies. So each company developed alternate labels for selling records in other countries:
- Deutche Grammophon sold records in the UK and US on the Angel label.
- RCA Victor sold records in foreign countries on the RCA Camden label.
- HMV used the Parlophone and Electrola labels in the US and Germany.
Philips-Decca and Columbia had similar problems.
Decca was divided into four companies:
- Philips Decca is in the Netherlands and Germany, with the Philips label for other countries.
- English Decca is in the UK, with the London label for other countries.
- US Decca is in the US, with Norelco and several other labels for other countries.
- French Decca became Polydor, used for all sales.
Columbia was divided into English Columbia and American Columbia. American Columbia used the Okeh label for foreign sales for a while.