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seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:40 am
by roadstar30
i Own a seaberg R and trying to get an original unit back in the machine. Here's the first problem i have come across. The two wires from the solinod are not solder to any lugs. I need a picture of where they are soldered to. they and white and black. once i get them back i give it a try to see what else might be wrong. the wiring diagram i have is to small to understand. so a picture would sure help
Thanks in advance

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:58 am
by Ron Rich
You are attempting to get what back into the machine ?
Do you have a Service Manual ? If not, see above in the announcements section, for " where to find---" and purchase one.
You will need to use the terms in the manual for us to understand one another.
Ron Rich

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:38 pm
by roadstar30
an original R- Mech. but got it in and working 50 %. Now i need to know how the tone arm wire are run down and out of the tone arm. does it come out of a hole at the base??? or just straight down.I have it straight down but i have trouble with the needle moving on the record now.
I also only get only the odd side of the pin bank to cancell its possible dirty contacts??? What do i use to clean them?? purple stuff??? or just file them??? could the wires be wrong???
thanks

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:39 am
by Ron Rich
The wire goes straight down on that model--your wire needs to be replaced--it's "stiff".
NO "purple stuff", or any other spray ! And NO file-- You need to dis-assemble the cancel coil assembly, and clean it with a "safety solvent", re-assemble it and make sure the coil sleeve has not "crept" one way or the other--when right, a drop of glue should hold it.
Ron Rich

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:32 pm
by roadstar30
thanks ron

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:30 am
by roadstar30
ordered new wires from ebay

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:10 pm
by roadstar30
now i have now power to mech
won't move with service switch either way
work good yesterday!!! is there any thing to do with cancel switch on the pin bank?? Its the only thing i touched .
I removed the pin bank to take off the cancel switch to make sure they where free then after that no song playing and no power to the motor.
it selects record to play on pin bank but doesnt move to record
any ideas

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:59 pm
by Ron Rich
I don't understand--is the motor turning ?-- Is the turntable turning ?
If so, the only thing I can think of is that the frog has "bound up" on the SA unit ?
Ron Rich

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:02 pm
by roadstar30
No not turning at all it like there is no power there . I here a noise when i move the service switch to either way full right and full left.
i checked all fuses they seem to all right

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:48 am
by Ron Rich
Did you check fuse SIZES ?
With the power OFF, see if you can turn the motor coupling a little way, in both directions.
If so, you will need to get out the motor power schematic, and figure out where you are loosing it. If not, you have a mechanical "bind" somewhere, that you MUST locate, and correct, prior to powering it back up.
The sound you hear, is probably the "play control relay" energizing in the WSR.
Ron Rich

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:30 pm
by roadstar30
I you suppose i am looking for the 110volt circuit. in only the stepper side . mech is not getting voltage!!! I hot wired the mech and it works move freely. the amp tubes light up. so i am thining it only on the stepper side??
the wires are good going to the mech cause i put a meter to check continunty and they were all right.
if fuse size was to small wouldnt it just blow??
will check to see they are all right.
bob

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:37 pm
by Ron Rich
If the fuse was too "small", yes, it would blow --HOWEVER, if it's too "big", something ELSE will "blow" before the fuse does!
That's the whole purpose of a fuse--to protect, and blow when something's wrong.
From what you have posted, I gather that the "117VAC" , is not reaching the motor--I have no idea where you "wired direct", but the open circuit would be prior to that point. The motor power circuit is fairly simple on that phono. It goes from one side of the power cord ("nut".)(inside the WSR) to the reversing switch through the mech cable, then to the motor. The other ("hot") side of the 117, goes from the power cord, thru the WSR power switch, then through the "play control relay" contacts, the through the mech cable, up to the reversing switch, and then the motor.
Is the play control relay being energized--are the contacts good--no "pits/burns, and making good contact ?
Ron Rich

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:30 pm
by roadstar30
so it was the play control contacts, i cleaned and adjusted them so now it works, Still have an issue with the pin bank not canceling on the even numbers, could i have one of the wires wrong??? since the canceling unit was gone was missing when i recieved the mech i just hooked them where they seemed to go , but that might be wrong??
thanks

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:53 pm
by Ron Rich
Glad you got it,
As for the wiring to the frog--you will need to compare what you have done to the schematic--sure, anythings "possible"--
Ron Rich

Re: seaberg r wiring help

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:03 am
by roadstar30
thanks for your help ron
you are a real asset to the forum.
keep on jukin.