Wallboxes and wipod

Hi
just coming back to this subject again, i have a few wallboxes running off the cdadapter wipod, with seeburg 3W1 boxes everything runs smoothly. With the rockola 507 wallboxes I still get a problem with selection being cancelled. For example if i put in 3 selection it is fine if i make a 4th selection, the first selection cancels after a few seconds and skips onto the second selection. The whole thing is totally random, it could happen after i make 1 selection, 2 selections and so on but usually i cant make more than 5 or 6 selections without the problem happening and the song currently playing cancels and skips onto the next. Has anyone had any problem like this with the wipod. i can assume the adapter is fine as it works perfectly with the seeburg wallbox, is the wipod or associated cables sensitive to electrical interference. Just wondering if anyone came up with the same problem and what can be done to counteract it. I had a prevoius problem with a treadmill motor interfering with it but a filter on the supply into the transformer sorted that. The only electrical item on in the workshop at the moment is an electrical heater. The problem is just bugging me as the seebgurg doesn't have nay of these problems
clones

I too have the same issue with the cdadapter and a Seeburg 3W1.
It does seem random. I find it's not really a bother so I haven't tried to troubleshoot the problem.

Hi
Do you have the problem with your first selection canceling after you make a number of selections on your seeburg unit
Clones

Yes.
It's the same problem, but I'm using the cdadapter with the Seeburg 3W1 wallbox.

I haven't looked into the problem but I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to an interference issue. I haven't any other motors that may be the source unless it's the motor within the 3W1.

Perhaps your 3W1 is better shielded that the Rock ola??

Why don't you folks experiment with putting a capacitor across the AC line -at the wallbox- to damp transients.

Since I am considering using several of the flash readers that CD Adapter sells, I'd appreciate some detail as to what you have observed.

1) Does the cancelling occur only after a certain number of selections are in the pipeline -or at any time as other selections are being made.

2) Does cancellation occur at the end of the wallbox sending cycle? This indicates that transients from the motor being switched off may be the culprit. If so, it should also occur at step-up when credit is established.

I do appreciate any input here as I am considering these items for commercial use to phase out the older vinyl based systems. I had asked the seller about any problems these units might encounter in an electrically noisy commercial environment and was told that there appeared to be no problems. As you may know, logic based systems can be 'confused" by noisy power lines. The early Rowe CD machines that I was using in 1990- were plagued by this problem and only solved by installing an expensive power conditioner capable of handling the entire machine.

Thanks for any input,

Rob/NYC

Hi
I have a suppression capacitor across the mains AC line input into the transformer, so i might try another across the AC line in the wallbox, worth a try and maybe another across the wallbox motor as well. I am using a shielded transformer also. I had heard before that on some rare instances that there can be interference with the cancel cable. Myabe the cancel cable, wipod unit or other various cables can be screened more. Initially i had a problem with a treadmill motor causing interference (my fault), it had a faulty motor and canceled songs more or less straight away when the treadmill was turned on, the fitting of the suppression cap sorted that plus the disposal of the treadmill. I find that the song being played cancels on average after inputing 3 to 4 selections, but sometimes it happens after 2 selections sometimes i can get as high as 8 selections. It seems to happen about 3 to 4 seconds after the wallbox sending cycle. Not sure about when establishing credit but will investigate that. I have tried a number of ipods with the lastest itunes software and fully restored them, but it doesn't make any difference
I have used it without fault on the seeburg 3w1 and the older rockola 501 walllbox so i don't want to appear critical of the manufacturer when the fault is possibly with me or with the wallbox.
clones

Clones,
Is the whole system properly "earthed"("grounded", here in the USA) ?
Ron Rich

Ron

Yes the whole system is grounded
Clones

Hi

Interesting thread. I have a Seeburg 3WA-200 that I have been advised to not hook up to my KS200. Would I be able to use the cdadapter to play an ipod thought that model WOM?

Best
Darrell

Darrell,
Sure--if the WOM is good !
Contact Mr.Grumpy at Data Sync Eng. Please tell him Hi from me !
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Ron Rich

Hi
Yes the Seburg 3WA 200 is listed as one that will work
clones

Sorry I didn't post sooner (busy holiday season, World Junior Hockey games and NHL games... is the excuse).
Hardware:
cdadapter, iPod, Seeburg 3W1 wallbox, 24 VAC transformer to power the 3W1, 9VDC AC adapter to power the cdadapter/iPod

I ran some quick tests and entered in selections randomly. Here’s what I found.

Power up.
Test One:
A5 began to play as it should
B9 entered in, A5 continued to play
C7 entered in and immediately A5 cancelled (at the start of the motor cycle) and B9 began to play
H5 entered and B9 immediately cancelled then C7 began to play
The cancel button cancelled the currently playing selection each time, as expected.

Test Two:
K5 began to play as it should
A3 entered in, K5 continued to play
D5 entered and immediately K5 cancelled, A3 began to play
D9 entered, A3 continued to play
C6, F4 entered and A3 continued to play
The cancel button cancelled the playing selection each time, as expected.

Test Three:
Selections B5 A8 A10 D7 D10 D5 entered without cancelling any previous selections. The cancel button cancelled the currently playing selection as expected.

Test Four:
Powered down and then powered up
A6 began to play as expected
D8 entered and immediately A6 cancelled, D8 began to play
C3 entered and immediately D8 cancelled and C3 began to play

Test Five:
Powered down and then powered up
All selections played as expected without premature cancellation

Observations from this small sample size:
The premature cancellations seem to occur randomly- unrelated to the selection but always at the start of the motor cycle and relatively early in the order of selections (2nd, 3rd or 4th).

I haven’t added a cap across the AC line (I presume it would be the 24 VAC line).
Rob would you have any suggestions as to the capacitance value?

I also don't have any premature cancellations with entering a credit.
I have a button rigged that will short the coin switch.

I would try various sizes of caps, all 630 volts, or more, across the motor run contacts. I would start with a .01---
Ron Rich

Hi
I put a transient suppressor across the AC and common inputs into the wallbox, i also added a ferrite ring on the signal line in the wallbox, on the signal and power line into the adapter and also on the cancel cable into the adapter. However no luck still the same random cancellation, could occur after one song or even get up as far as six before the song cancels. My song would cancel after the motor has finished the rotation and when the pushbuttons are released
Clones