Recently Acquired Seeburg q100 Questions

Hello,

My father has recently decided to pass his Seeburg q100 down to me (after he failed to find someone to fix it and got a Rockola Comet). Back when he put it into storage in his garage it was doing the whole scan twice fail to find the 45 thing. I have mostly worked out what I need to do to fix it but before he put it into storage (mind you in his climate controlled garage) he hauled it on an open air trailer behind a pickup. I have yet to transport it to my place but will more than likely use an econoline van so that it can be transported upright. I asked him if it was ever laid down for transport and he is almost positive that it was not.
Over on klov (where I made the initial post and eventually directed here), I was told that I should recap the selector and the amp before turning it on again to prevent possible damage to the rather costly transformer. My issue is that I am not sure if the juke works at all. I know that it worked before it was moved, save the scan twice issue. I would rather see if it will power up and "work" before investing around $150 and time in recapping. Is there any simple test that I can perform, reading voltages or something, to see if it got messed up in the move? Ron Rich told me that transporting the machine laying down can be deadly for it. I am mostly concerned that my father laid it down to transport it, or something got jostled and broken in the transportation of it. So is there a simple test to perform before recapping? I know that there is no 100% sure way to know if it is going to work but I just want some reassurance before dropping the money/wasting my time.

Thanks

-Frank

Don't know of an "inexpensive" way out for you--
If you had the Trouble Shooting Guide, and a Seeburg test lamp, it MIGHT be quick--
Ron Rich

"Syco" transporting the machine on it's back can conceivably cause damage to the readout plunger assembly but not do anything that will kill a transformer -which are the only really expensive items that might need replacement.

Without test equipment the simplest tests are: Nose-eye-light bulb.

First, examine the areas directly above and below the transformers for evidence of boilout due to a short that caused overheating. You might see a yellowish/brown "soot" emanating from the holes where the wires emerge. Use you nose to check for an acrid smell here as well.

Check what little fusing Seeburg provided for condition and -values-.

Next, remove -all- plugs and tubes from both the selection unit and amplifier. Then connect a light bulb of approx 25 watts in series with the main line cord that goes into the selection unit. Take the back of the lower back door off to expose the rear chassis pans. There is an assembly called the 'scan control" it is two coils located on the upper left of the selection unit. The coil on the right starts the scan process -manually pull that one's plunger up. The will allow power to be applied to the power transformer in the amp.

Now, make sure the main switch is "on" and apply power. The bulb should glow very dimly -if at all. What we have done here is test for internal shorts in the power transformers in both the selection unit and amp. The amp may still have a bad output transformer, but there is no -safe-way to test for this w/out more sophisticated test eq. or a rebuilt amp.

If the units pass these simple tests, I'd consider it OK to rebuild them.

Rob/NYC

Rob and Ron, thanks for the input. The weather out here is getting worse so it may be a few weeks till I finally get the machine at my place. I will build up a dim bulb tester sooner. Seems like something good to have around in general for all of my hobbies.
Rob, all of your instructions are clear and make sense to me but I am sure that I will have more questions once I have the machine in hand and can look at what you mean. I know that my dad has the repair manual for the juke, not sure how much of a help that will really be.

Many thanks!

-Frank

Frank,
You are welcome--
The "Repair", or Service Manual will be of zero help, if you do not read it ??? Since it will be awhile, I would suggest that you do that first, and I might suggest that my Seeburg Mechanism Guide, would also be of help--but you DO need to read it
Contact me, off forum, if you wish to purchase a copy.

Ron Rich wrote:Frank,
You are welcome--
The "Repair", or Service Manual will be of zero help, if you do not read it ??? Since it will be awhile, I would suggest that you do that first, and I might suggest that my Seeburg Mechanism Guide, would also be of help--but you DO need to read it
Contact me, off forum, if you wish to purchase a copy.

Haha, I will read it if it is actually useful. The manual for my pinball machine has been utterly useless in tracking down the start up error. Wasted $20 on that... I will certainly pick up your Seeburg Mechanism Guide at some point. It comes very highly recommended. If we were not getting buried under snow right now I would go over to my dad's after work to get the manual... Doesn't appear that I will be doing that any time soon now though...

Frank,
Well, I wrote it with the intent of being "useful", and after sales of hundreds of copies, I have heard only one complaint--which the guy did not have the "guts" to express directly to me--He "posted" his "review" of it, saying it was "redundant"--and a few days later asked a question that he would have known the answer to, if he had actually read the Guide.
Ron Rich

As far as I know what ever manual my father has was purchased back in the 80s when he got the machine. Won't know more till the snow melts and I can go get it. I am not even sure if it is the repair manual. he said he thought it was but it could very well be the operators manual.

"Snow"--what's that ? Only "snow" I have seen in years, is what's falling on this forum ! Ron Rich

Well provided nothing comes up I will be grabbing the juke from my dad today after work. Hopefully the stars align and will allow me to finally get it. Then the real fun begins!

Well wouldn't you know it... It didn't fit in the van. I have a fever today so am down for the count. I meant to at least take some pictures but forgot and was pretty annoyed with myself that it didn't fit. Oh well. just push it back a few weeks...

Well a few weeks turned into a few months. It is now in my possession, dirt and all. Some problems though...
Back door doesn't close for some reason. It feels like something is pinching but I don't see anything.
Front right caster is broken off and nowhere to be found
The metal on the bottom right is all bent up (I suspect caused by the missing caster)
The gasket/seal around the top is dead
Lock is missing on the right side so locking the top down is not possible
The gold in the top glass piece has started to flake and looks bad

So now for the questions, any idea what size caster I need? The wood is intact, just stripped out.
Can I get a new gasket for the lid or is weather stripping considered a suitable replacement?
What to do about the bent metal? I assume I could remove it and have somewhere work the dents out but I can't assume this would be cheap.
Where can I get a lock for the right side (the one that locks the lid down).
Can I get a new Seeburg presents artist of the week style glass for this? I have a Layla cover that would look awesome in that area.

Just happy to have it home and safe. Now starts the fixing...

Here are a few pictures. I assume this will take me months to complete...

Many parts are still available for this model--l@@k above at the "announcement--Books--parts--where to find--" Ron Rich

Well look at what my dad gave me today. Hopefully they are of some use... Was looking through and found part numbers for what I need but google returns nothing. I guess this will be harder than finding parts for pinball machines...

Those books are just plates made from the original materials and the ancient part #s aren't going to mean much.

Better to try Victory Glass for repros, or peruse the ad's in Always Jukin magazine.

Rob.