Seeburg HF100R ----- Wall Box 3W1

Hi Friends, I have two issues going, one with my HF100R and one with the Wall Box. First---The Wall Box is wired for steady play and I would like to use coins. The Juke box has a switch for free-play & coin play. Also with the Wall Box, the first couple of selections I have to select the same one three times before it selects the record. After that it seems to operate fine. -----Second the Juke Box when selecting the letter & number, there is an immediate noise, it only lasts for 2-3 seconds. The noise sounds like a very quick click-click-click type sound . And this occurs for a few selections at first, then it appears operate fine. Thanks---Preston --Syracuse NY..

These are classic symptoms of poor contact due to pitted points, tarnish and inadequate wiping action. "Wiping" is where contacts overtravel slightly and as the blades bend slightly the points wipe a bit. This enhances contact.

Rob/NYC

Hi Rob, Thank you for your reply. I'm not sure what contacts your speaking of, & are these separate issues with both the Wall Box & machine. Thanks for your patients..Preston Syracuse NY..

Hi Preston,
Nope--you have at least 4 "issues" here---
Answer to the first one depends upon what one of Rob's Geppetto friends did to put the WOM on free-play--
Price "setting" info is in the WOM Service Manual.
2nd issue; You need to look at the phonograph SA Unit--the answer will be determined by the position of the selected pin, on the first/second/third try-- (izzit being "pulled" ?)
3 rd issue: Machine gun noise--that's the rotary switch being torn up in the CCU !
4 th issue--iffin you do not fix the third issue, you soon will have a destroyed rotary switch, which is NLA!
To fix this--
WORK #20 oil into all moving shafts (not the coil plunger) that move when coil is pulled by hand ( with the power off--plunger should SNAP out of the coil, when let go) if unable to fix this turn machine off and leave it off ! Ron Rich

Hi Ron, That's scarey the switches are no longer available, is there any alternatives for this rotary switch. Preston---

Hi Preston,
Technically, MOST of the parts in that, and all "jukeboxes", are NLA --yep, I think--never thought about it before there should be an alternative--a "coin board" can be added to the electronic FPA. Ron Rich

Preston, we may be talking at cross purposes here but, if you want to run the 3W1 on-coin there must be a rejector, coin switches and credit cancelling ramp in place.

See these pics;
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... rt=2&o=148
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... rt=2&o=149

On these simple single pricing units the cancel ramp is often bent aside or removed.

As for the contacts issue these are the contacts on each relay and as well as those in the machine's credit unit that are actuated when the cancel solenoid pulls-in.

I basically agree with Ron's suggestions however, the sluggish action of the stepper in writing-in a selection has no connection to the SPU (machine credit unit). The only place those two are coincident is in the memory unit where again, dirty contacts can cause this problem.

Does this happen only on one or a few record slots? Is it limited to a particular group of slots?

Has the control center and memory unit been gone over thoroughly?

Rob.

Hi Rob, You and Ron are so helpful, but my knowledge is limited, and I pass this information on to my tech guy. I just hope I haven't damaged the rotary switch Ron is talking about. Once again the machine noise happens no matter what combination is selected. Usually it happens when the machine is first turned on and the first selection is made. Ron's right, it sounds like a very very short machine gun noise. By the way Ron does't want to come to Syracuse NY, says he got sick one time. IHow about you, I'll pay for travel & work, Syracuse NY is a safe & good City, the suburbs anyway, I know I was in law enforcement for 36 years here. thanks Rob---Preston Syracuse NY

Hi Preston,
I will not go---last time I was there was about 1969--got VERY ill ! If you want, you can ship the WSR to me, for rebuilding-- BTW---how far is that from Purue NY ?
Ron Rich

Hi Ron & Rob, Thanks for your information. I had the Tech guy in today and Ron at this time the amp is working fine, I'll keep your address..It was the credit cancel unit and the electrical selector causing my issues. He did adjust some things and oil some parts in the selector and its working fine. No problem changing the Wall Box to coin operation, he moved a lever or two and it was done. I have question about the free play/coin/play switch I have hooked up. When I switch the juke box back-in forth, why does't the wall box change with it. Because now, I have to open the wall Box push a couple of things to place it back on free play. Is thereother a way this can be done. Thanks again gies for your help. Preston ---Syracuse NY..

Preston, there is no sort of communication, other than the pulses for selecting records between wallbox and juke. They are all totally independent.

To make the free play switchable;
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... rt=2&o=150

Note the purple wire I've Gepetto-ed from the contact with the white wire to chassis ground. This is electrically the same as when a credit spring is flipped. Simply sub a switch or push button for that purple jumper and route it out of the box to some convenient place.

Rob

Hi Preston,
The Free Play Adapter, you have on your phonograph only controls the phonograph, credit unit, and, most importantly protects the latch bar, by not allowing it to energize until a button is pushed ( then, if only one button is pushed, it will release it in abut 45 seconds). No such unit was ever made for the 3W-1, as it has no problem being on free play, forever ( other than burning out the select lamp)--the 3W-1 has it's own independent pricing unit. The The 3W-1 uses a mechanical, motor pulsed, latch, for the keyboard--no fire danger here. Phonograph has a "latch bar solenoid" that has a nasty habit of catching fire, if left energized. Ron Rich

Hi Ron & Rob, Thanks for all the help, it's nice to know this stuff. Have a nice week ! Preston---Syracuse NY..