Phonoland

I checked the pin and held the crank and tried to rotate the basket to see if there was any movement, I'm confident it is installed rock solid.
To be honest, I'm not concerned about the top ring, rarely anyone looks at that, I just want to be able to load the records properly. Thanks again, Big Frank

In the first post you said that the crank shouldn't rotate backwards, I have a machine that is doing that, the crank rotates back about 70 degrees than the record loads but is then in the wrong position to reset the pin. The backstop pawls are working correctly as the record holder stays in the right place. What should be linking the crank and the carriage?

Hi Andrew,
That would indicate to me that the crank-arm, and carousel are not locked together --Did you remove the carousel--or did you just quire this phonograph ?
Ron Rich

Ron, I only just bought it, I think also they are not linked properly, when I got it the mechanism seemed to be jammed and I think someone had forced it back. I have got everything freed up now and can get it to go through the cycle but when the crank comes to a raised pin it oscillates against the micro switch putting the motor into and out of reverse. If I rotate the record carrier to catch up with the crank it works fine but I cant see how they should be fixed together.

Hi Andrew,
My memory is very shaky here--I seem not to be able to remember which model is which--
I THINK the carousel has a pin on the bottom side, which "drops" into a hole on the crank arm.
Do you have a manual set for this phonograph ? If so it should show this in the parts section, if not in the main service section--
Ron Rich

Ron, first I should have said this is a 100 selection Lyric from 1964 but I think the mechanism is similar. I do have a manual for it but the pictures are very had to see detail. Now I know they should be linked somehow I can take a close look through it and try to see what has gone wrong, I assumed that if it has been forced either something has been dislodged or a fixing pin has been sheared. I wasn't sure if they were permanently linked of if it was on a clutch or pawl.

When I got the machine there were a lot of electrical and mechanical problems with it but I think (hope) that this is the last one!!

Thanks for your help

Andrew

Hi Andrew,
Actually, you should have started a new topic, as the "Lyric" and the 2400 mechanisms were built in different countries !
I have never seen a "Lyric"up close enough to even guess ?? Ron Rich

This was covered earlier in the topic thread. The upper crank which is located under the carousel had slipped out of the retaining notch that hold it in sync with the lower crank,

The easiest was to reengage them is to hold the lower crank steady while turning the carouse --clockwise--. Looking at this pic: http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... rt=2&o=161 you see a small ramp in the bottom of the casting that leads up to a slot. The upper crank pin is spring loaded and will snap into that notch.

As I understood it, the European Lyric was made mostly from mechanism parts shipped there after the closure of the American factory in Tonawanda (did I spell that correctly?). From pic's I have seen the European version was somewhat modded electrically in that the motors were all line voltage and not powered by the transformer in the amp. That meant 220 VAC on the mech switches.

The amp was much simpler with lower power output and no AGC. The lack of AGC was less of an issue in that 45's in Europe all had pretty uniform output level and that was set via a typical Telefunken limiter. They also used good vinyl.

Personal opinion: The American carousel was far superior to the German mech that Deutsche Wurlitzer developed and use here from 3400-on. The later mech had a better tonearm and looked more 'refined" but there was far too much plastic and excessive complication for the kind of rugged use 9and neglect) that a typical jukebox gets.

Rob/NYC

Rob, thanks for the info, after trying to turn it back and getting nowhere I stripped down the top to remove the carousel and found that on this model the crank is a pin sticking up from the top lever and it sits directly into a cast slot, it isn't spring loaded. The carousel must have been removed by the previous owner when they tried to fix the machine and they hadn't got the pin back in the right place, as there isn't any play you have to position everything just right to get it to fit. anyway it gave me the chance to give all the top part of the machine a good clean down and put is all together and now it all works fine.

So anyway apart form some fine adjustments that still need doing on the mech that's all working now so now its onto restoring the cabinet and getting all the chrome redone.

Thanks again

Andrew