Gramophones from Burma # 2 - An HMV 113 or ...?

Continuing with the results of my gramophone hunt , I came across the below colonial model 113.
Or so I thought.
But after posting pics in another site and based on comments from people who seem to actually know something about grams (as opposed to yours truly who likes them just fine but alas...knows very little), the machine could either be

1) a smaller HMV 113 (have tried looking for references to such a model but found nothing so far)
2) a HMV 104

The machine is certainly teak or colonial / tropical model - whatever be the model.
I first thought that turntable is not original (as HMV's had metal rims) and from the picture am not able to make out if its rusted or some sub-standard turntable - but was told that the turntable is probably original to the machine.

Does anybody out there have a similar machine? Or even seen something similar?

I take it the ID tag, often positioned under the turntable, is missing.

To my relatively untrained eye, that looks to be identical to the 113 (Transportable) model illustrated on page 98 of "The Perfect Gramophone" by Dave Cooper.

Several photos appear on line, mostly from the collections of Japanese collectors, for instance --



I'm curious. You mentioned that it might be a smaller version of the 113. What is the size difference? Along this line, what were some of the other differences between your gramophone and the standard 113 that the gramophone experts spotted?

Thanks for the reply Joe.
Well, consensus now seems to be that this machine could be a smaller version as it seems to have a 10 inch turntable. Though I, for one am not sure if it doesn't indeed have a 12 inch as it seems identical to the 113 in every other respect. I will need to go back and look at it again.

However as one collector stated this machine could be a smaller 113 that was based or modeled on the 104 with the 10" turntable and smaller horn as used in a 104 (assuming of course that this machine has a 10 inch).

I am confused by the turntable. Obviously the felt is some ratty replacement. But I wonder if the table is original? In all the snaps I've seen the HMV tables had metal rims. And from these snaps (taken hastily as the seller did not want me taking photos) I'm now unable to make out if the turntable is a cheap replacement or if the rims have rusted.

i am from india .i have similar gramophone like yours.

this is my gramophone i m from india