Seeburg HSC1 newly adopted, info sought

Hi folks: By way of introduction, I have experience with jukes from my "on-call night technician" days, 1976-78. I can't tell you how many drunks kissed me when I got their music back for them. I also had a couple vintage boxes in the living room in the days that followed, which required determined phone calling and even (gasp) letter writing to obtain info and parts. In the following 35 years, the jukeboxes went away, the girls stopped calling, I got married, and I forgot almost everything I knew about vintage jukes except clean, lubricate, and almost never change mechanical adjustments. Now I am the newly-minted proud owner of a Seeburg HSC1 console LP jukebox. Life is grand.

ANY info will be appreciated. I have looked over the forum and see discussions on the model, which is encouraging.

It is marked HSC1-R-W, s/n 12307, and came from a coin op company who may have had it in their office or storage since day one (not sure.) It has the black push button selectors, not rotary knob as shown in the manual that came with it (!). The cartridge is silver and black, with yellow styli, on a brown tone arm--one needle much lower than the other, not sure tweezering it back in shape will be successful. Until I get replacement belts in and do some cleaning and lubrication, I won't know for sure, but I have high hopes the mechanism will function properly out of the gate. The only anomaly I see is that the mechanism's tin cover is missing.

1. Where can I get accurate info for the "R-W" model ("SB-300?")? My OEM manual clearly came with the early version data. I'm not even sure of the mechanism model ("Select-o-matic 160"? "160ST25"? "160ST26"?)

2. I lack console assembly info (getting things apart without breaking them is always preferred). Acoustic suspension speakers of the era notoriously degrade, I should take a look; do I come from the rear to remove (and clean) the speaker grills?

3. Where can I get service info on the electronics / controls / radio? I haven't started with the DeOxit yet, but I get encouraging hum-free static from the radio with occasional stereo indicator flicker. I will probably need recapping and radio alignment, well beyond my ability, and probably impossible without a service manual.

I'm going to look for my DeOxit now, and will surely have more questions or commentary to follow. If anybody has interest, photos can easily be provided. Thanks to any who take the time to correspond. Yours--Chas in Dayton

Hi Chas,
Well "Something's fishy" here with the model number--The "HSC" series units, were all equipped with a rotary dial--exception being, one gentleman has made a replacement push-button for the NLA dial. Are you reading that model # off the sticker attached to the cabinet ??
Is the "R-W" hand written on it--if so, I have a GOOD idea, as to what that means --
As far as I know, the only supplier, that is supplying a whole service manual, including the necessary "supplement". is alwaysjukin.com !
This, jf I re-call rite, er, write, no--right, contains the schematic/parts list for the SR 300--
Oil in the "play motor" on these is critical !! Use ONLY 20 wt. ND motor oil--oil BOTH cups a whole lot, as there are very large oil wicks, and if not done in awhile, it will take time to run thru the wicks and get oil onto the shaft !!!
HTH,
Ron Rich

Hi Ron--Sorry that I was not clear, the pushbuttons are for the mode select (AM/FM/Phono etc), not the disk select which uses the phone dial system. The manual illustration shows a rotary knob at the top instead.

Yes, the label is hand written, perhaps even erased and corrected. So what does it mean?

Thanks--Chas

Hi Chas,
OK-- The "rotary" function switch was used on the SB100 and SB200 "radio's" only--
Since I am not 100% sure--I can't divulge that info--would need to do "something awful", to you, if I did !! (or "something awful" might occur to me !! ) Ron Rich

Ron--

Hmm. I am probably dense, I am not following. If it's a dirty joke, that explains why I don't get it.

Chas

No--it's not a dirty joke--I am just not 100 % sure that I am correct--and I try not to miss-inform anyone, on anything.
Ron Rich

OK, I'm gradually getting my feet wet, the console doesn't look scary anymore at least.

My question is, what mech am I looking at? The Select-o-matic manual that came with the HSC1 is for the 160, but the 160 is worm gear driven, and mine has a pair of belts.

Chas

Hi Chas,
Don't know which "manual" you are looking at, or who supplied it ?--but if the turn table is worm gear driven, it is for a 160 select, 7 inch 45 rpm, "Jukebox" mechanism--Not the 33-1/3 12 inch "Home Stereo" mechanism, you have !
Which type relay is attached to the front of the mechanism you have--an open bladed type, or a totally enclosed (in plastic) type ?
Ron Rich

Hi Ron:

Happy Valentine's Day.

Some helpful person put a 160 jukebox mech manual in my HSC1.

Here is a photo of the mech, with I believe the open points stack you inquired about.

Chas

Hi Chas,
It is the HSC type--the RELAY is the open type-but, I can't tell if it is the up-dated version, or not from the photo--can you zoom in on the front of the relay, which is marked with red paint ? Ron Rich

Ron--Any info is appreciated~!

Thanks--Chas

Hi Chas,
This is still an "original version"--You can not use the "Supplement" Service manual for anything but info on the SB-300.
I did not see any advantages to the "updates", however, I think I may still have an "update kit"--NOS ! ----I have an original that still functions perfectly--Ron Rich

Thanks Ron.

The "SB300" is my radio / amplifier, correct? Is there anyone who can shop this out for me reasonably? It's more than i want to tackle.

I'm surprised that the mech wasn't ReWorked, I thought sure that was what HSC1-RW stood for.

Chas

Hi Chas,
Yep SB-300 is the audio section--"reasonably" I dono -try Gary, at C&C in Columbus 614 297-0150
Please say "hello" from me--if he won't do it, PM me--
Ron Rich

Hi Ron:

I finally got the mech out of the cabinet, and I don't think I broke anything in the process. Other than my poor back. I feel old.

I hesitated to drop the Tormat assy, although the adjustments don't look that hard to reset if i do. But when I loosened the magazine, I discovered that only the bottom row of Tormat contacts has a wiper; it looks like a top wiper is missing!

1. Shouldn't there be two wipers, top and bottom, on the same contact block? I can't find top/bottom contacts explanation in the manual.

2. Would failure of the top wiper cause failure to scan after dial selection or after record replacement (manual trip)?

3. Are such parts available?

Your expertise is appreciated....

Chas