Re: Are there any major differences between Seeburg Y100 and AY100?

Poorboy · by **Poorboy** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:17 pm

Greetings everyone. Newbie here...at least in the jukebox arena. I have a chance to pick up a very reasonably priced Y100, but it does have issues...no speakers or coin box and the wiring connectors are missing. It's a project case for sure. So the question is: Are the connectors the same in both units? If so, it seems I'd have better luck looking at AY100 parts offerings.

John

Rob-NYC · by **Rob-NYC** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:27 pm

John, they are essentially the same machine, with the "Y" being the economy version.
That one was shipped mono and had no autospeed unit to play 33 rpm.

By the time I worked on these last tube Seeburgs in the 1980s the internal parts had been so swapped around that I wasn't even aware of the difference between the models as-built.

The bigger problem is this;

the wiring connectors are missing

Do you mean the plugs from the mechanism, keyboard and (ugh!) Tormat? This can be a significant hurdle.

I use selection receivers in my 201's and modded K from the original 201 type right through the DS receiver.

Speakers and speaker harness are NBD.

A stereo amp from a 222 on up through a DS can be made to work easily (one it is rebuilt). A transistorized amp from the LPC series is a good choice as well -especially if the speaker harness is missing.

Along with determining what is and isn't there (and what condition the units are in) you need to asses your own capabilities. Machines like this are often 'dumpers' where operators cannibalized good parts and later dumped in 'whatever" to make the unit at least appear somewhat complete.

I've built up machines from essentially just a cabinet and keyboard, but I had a large "parts pile" and a lot of patience.

Rob-NYC

by **Ron Rich** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:59 pm

If you are speaking of a model "A" and a model "AY"--they are almost as different as night and day--If speaking of a model "Y" and "AY", the only difference is the Autospeed was not factory installed in the Y". There are many differences between the Y,AY, and AYU, models--see the I&O manuals, and/or the ID tags on the cabinets. Ron Rich

Poorboy · by **Poorboy** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:40 am

I can't for the life of me figure out how to respond to individual replies. Maybe this is it. If not, sorry bout dat.

Anyway, thanks to Rob and Ron for the responses. Rob...I haven't yet seen the Y100, it's a Craigslist offering, but the seller has been completely up front about the unit's overall condition, which is rather refreshing, I'd say. In fact, he feels it's a lost cause.

I'll query him again about which specific plugs are missing, male/female or whatever. I should have already asked him. And not to worry about my electronic/mechanical abilities...given 50 or 60 years, I can fix anything.

Ron...We are talking about the Y100. To prepare for my Seeburg project, either this particular unit or another that may pop up, I've spent a ton of time reading your ton of postings, so I know heaps more now than I did a month ago. Your continual effort to educate the newbies (and oldies) is highly commendable.

I'll get back to you folks with better answers.

John

Poorboy · by **Poorboy** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:04 am

Ron Rich wrote:If you are speaking of a model "A" and a model "AY"--they are almost as different as night and day--If speaking of a model "Y" and "AY", the only difference is the Autospeed was not factory installed in the Y". There are many differences between the Y,AY, and AYU, models--see the I&O manuals, and/or the ID tags on the cabinets. Ron Rich

Ron,
Bad typing on my part. I meant the Y100 and AY100.
John

Rob-NYC · by **Rob-NYC** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:35 am

"Poorboy" if possible get pictures of the interior in both the mech and backdoor compartments. Post them or link to them here so we can get some idea of what is or isn't there.

Rob

Poorboy · by **Poorboy** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:49 pm

Rob,
Yesterday I asked that very thing of the seller. He said a video will be forthcoming. I'll post the link when it arrives.
John

Poorboy · by **Poorboy** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:05 am

Rob-NYC wrote:"Poorboy" if possible get pictures of the interior in both the mech and backdoor compartments. Post them or link to them here so we can get some idea of what is or isn't there.

Rob

I'm sorry to say that this thread is now dead in the water. The Craigslist seller sent the video of the Y100 and it turned out to be merely an empty box...both chassis, supposedly rusted beyond repair, had been thrown away.

Oh well, another candidate will pop soon enough. Until then, I'll just keep reading and hopefully become more Seeburg savvy.
Thanks for the replies. See you again.

John

Rob-NYC · by **Rob-NYC** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:19 am

Well, good luck and happy hunting.

If I may suggest a good first jukebox, I'd make it a Rowe AMI from the model N (1965) thru R80 (1977). These are fairly simple electro-mechanical machines that offer 200 selections and excellent sound systems --especially the later ones.

The later processor based machine (R81-) were very reliable, but home servicing is a bit more restricted due to computerization and the availability of parts. Some later models do offer the potential to convert to disk or flash storage and play MP3 as a direct replacement for records:
http://www.cdadapter.com/rmcmp3.htm

Rob

Poorboy · by **Poorboy** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:49 am

Thanks, Rob, I appreciate the suggestion, but my heart just wouldn't be into repairing and/or restoring anything other than a 1960s Seeburg. I don't care how complicated one might be...and it won't bother me at all if I never got it fixed. It's merely the fun of the chase and challenge that keeps me in the vintage electronics hobby.

John