A newbie's tale on trying to get a Wurlitzer 3310 to work...

Julie, I glad that you got it working. It shouldn't be that critical, but those dual speed assemblies do quite a dance to both clamp and change speed. It is still possible that the stripper plate was slightly bent outward, I can't tell from pic's.

In August 1988 my antique dealer and I delivered a 3100 i had restored. It went to a physician and his family in NJ. While there he mentioned that his wife goes to the UK several times a year and brings back English pressings of pop music. They are small hole 45 and he wondered of he could get a hole saw to allow them to be played. I aid that the machine will play small 33's..or 45's and showed him how to disable the speed change. His remark was "wow, this is quite a feat of engineering....it must have been fun to repair it" I replied "fun", well that is one word for it......"

As for early tripping, the adjustment is the black bolt seen at the lower left corner in this shot:
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... ort=2&o=70 Your trip switch will look different, but the adjustment is similar.
The fact that it is off may indicate that the tonearm was removed...for some reason. There has definitely been some tinkering going on before you got it.

Well, keep us informed.

Rob

Rob-NYC wrote:Julie, I glad that you got it working. It shouldn't be that critical, but those dual speed assemblies do quite a dance to both clamp and change speed. It is still possible that the stripper plate was slightly bent outward, I can't tell from pic's.

In August 1988 my antique dealer and I delivered a 3100 i had restored. It went to a physician and his family in NJ. While there he mentioned that his wife goes to the UK several times a year and brings back English pressings of pop music. They are small hole 45 and he wondered of he could get a hole saw to allow them to be played. I aid that the machine will play small 33's..or 45's and showed him how to disable the speed change. His remark was "wow, this is quite a feat of engineering....it must have been fun to repair it" I replied "fun", well that is one word for it......"

As for early tripping, the adjustment is the black bolt seen at the lower left corner in this shot:
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... ort=2&o=70 Your trip switch will look different, but the adjustment is similar.
The fact that it is off may indicate that the tonearm was removed...for some reason. There has definitely been some tinkering going on before you got it.

Well, keep us informed.

Rob

Thank Rob!!
Thanks for the tripping infos!!!
Of course I know that it could be adjusted some more as it is not perfect yet.
Like records tend to not clamp more often when they come up from the right side, some records clamp some other don't. That pointy small hole pilot is not really flush to the turntable like in the manual. But at least I know it can work and it does most of the times I want to celebrate this small victory before trying anything else
I think that the speed is a tad fast, is there a way to slow the motor spinning speed?
And I will also wait for your tips on where to oil? You and Ron sure did mention to oil, so I will
Again many many thanks for all guys, I could not have done it without your help and support
It is not over though.. Ill still need you guys for as long as I have this baby I think hahahaha

Julie,
It sounds like you "missed my point"--OIL FIRST, prior to adjusting, anything, is a MUST !! "Adjustments change, when the oil drys out !
Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Julie,
It sounds like you "missed my point"--OIL FIRST, prior to adjusting, anything, is a MUST !! "Adjustments change, when the oil drys out !
Ron Rich

Hi Ron
Yes sir, I did oïl everywhere you guys told me to at the start of this journey
But the manual does not say where else to oïl, it states some places were not to oïl which I am not sure what they are talking about, some gears Under the carriage I think. But for now I only oiled where you told me:
-The oïl hole Under the record tray, many many times
- The motor at the two small pipes, 5-6 times
- Tiny drops at specific points on the rod of the turntable assy etc
- Rollers as well
I do not want to oïl something that I am not suppose to
I read somewhere to ''degrease and clean the rod of the turntable assy with a red sctoch brite'' But I do not think I am up for the put to pieces the turntable assy challenge , yet
So I just oiled and oiled these strategic points as you guys told me
But as for maintenance, where to oïl from times to times, I do not know (exept for the strategic points)

Hi Julie,
It appears as if you have oilet most of the important points, except I don't see any mention of the turntable shaft/tailpieces--I HOPE you have filled that hole several times, as it is impossible to make that unit "adjust", whenit's dry -- Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Hi Julie,
It appears as if you have oilet most of the important points, except I don't see any mention of the turntable shaft/tailpieces--I HOPE you have filled that hole several times, as it is impossible to make that unit "adjust", whenit's dry -- Ron Rich

Hem... Shaft tail piece? I do not know what it means, is it the whole that you find when turning the carriage that holds all the records? I must turn the record holder and a hole appears and I align it over another hole and let drop some oïl in it? If so I did many times as you said,Is this the same oïl hole?

Julie,
Oh, NO !!
The "oil hole" I am speaking of is in the "tube" that contains the workings for the record clamp unit--this "hole is on top of that shaft--looks like a bolt head, with a hole in it --this must be filled and the clamp "worked, manually" (I usually "geppetto" them with my fist--pounding on /letting it snap back, the arm that pushes the assembly) MANY times, to circulate the oil inside. Also drop oil on the springs that are wrapped on the back end of the clamp mechanism, and onto the very small round shaft the gets shoved inward.
Ron Rich
P.S. I have an acquaintance that "swears" he uses "Marvel Mystery Oil" in that hole with extreme success --Yea, I question that ??

Ron Rich wrote:Julie,
Oh, NO !!
The "oil hole" I am speaking of is in the "tube" that contains the workings for the record clamp unit--this "hole is on top of that shaft--looks like a bolt head, with a hole in it --this must be filled and the clamp "worked, manually" (I usually "geppetto" them with my fist--pounding on /letting it snap back, the arm that pushes the assembly) MANY times, to circulate the oil inside. Also drop oil on the springs that are wrapped on the back end of the clamp mechanism, and onto the very small round shaft the gets shoved inward.
Ron Rich
P.S. I have an acquaintance that "swears" he uses "Marvel Mystery Oil" in that hole with extreme success --Yea, I question that ??

HA! Ok I will go oïl that hole as well ( the other oïl pit was described in the manual, the one that aligns Under the records) I was wondering how to oïl this assy.... Thank you for directing me to it

I have played many records all afternoon.. I find that some records clamp on one side but not on their other side (A-B) tried on many different slots and switching sides with same results.
The more I played it the more I had to readjust stuff as after many hours, the records started to release on the wrong record slot, leaving me with 2 records in the same slot on the left side ... sooo many things I still have to learn
Also, there is a load and a run switch on the base, but is it normal that I can turn the records carriage even if it is at run??
I do not get it.. the only difference between LOad and Run is that I cannot make an input selection it will play after i put the big lever switch back to Run, but I can turn the record carriage on both settings.. Normal?

Thanks Ron, gonna oïl that bolt headlike oïl hole NOW!!!

Ok, oiled the bolt head like hole on top of the big tube..................................................... You were soooo right Ron...Took a few seconds and boom
Back to square one hahaha
I really thought this oil pit hole was the one they were talking about in the manual and that you told me about.....
Everything is unadjusted and not clamping ... managed to broke the needle as when manually clamping to oïl, the wire got loose from the pulley under and I did not notice so when I tried : needle broke as the tonearm dit not retract, no clamping movement fromt he assy I was in hell there for a few seconds until I realized about the wire out of the pulley
Well , I am not discouraged at least I know about that frekin' oïl hole now hahahahaha
AND I had a full afternoon of music
I am back on adjusting again (i did order more than one needle, thank god
Ron, Rob Ill start again, from page one in our thread
May the Oil Gods be with me...

Oh, Julie---
What can I say--you did not read the Service Manual--The load/play arm MUST be in the load position when the basket is turned !! ( and should be taped in that position when the phono is moved !!!) The arm raises the crank arms so that even IF a pin has been released, the crank arm will not hit it (or depending on how hard you "spin the basket", it won't "kiss the pin" and bend it over)--- The switch does egg-zactly what you said---- Capesh ?? Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Oh, Julie---
What can I say--you did not read the Service Manual--The load/play arm MUST be in the load position when the basket is turned !! ( and should be taped in that position when the phono is moved !!!) The arm raises the crank arms so that even IF a pin has been released, the crank arm will not hit it (or depending on how hard you "spin the basket", it won't "kiss the pin" and bend it over)--- The switch does egg-zactly what you said---- Capesh ?? Ron Rich

Hahaha! Capesh Ron, but when I read the manual , at that time, I did not understand half of it, exept for the big bolts for transport and was trying to understand the adjustments of the cam levers and so on.
I am at least glad to know that this is working as intented

I guess I did learn a few things as it took me a few minutes to readjust when compared the a few weeks before this forum the records clamping and tonearm are back to normal...However, I will oil that mother of all oil holes and work it as you said some more before changing the needle and I will make the fine tuning adjustments after that
oh AND give the manual another read now that I understand more what all these technical / mechanical words mean hahahaha
Thanks Ron

I think that the speed is a tad fast, is there a way to slow the motor spinning speed?

Julie, most jukeboxes run at least a bit fast. If this one is too speedy for your taste, first check the motor pulley for rubber deposits from the idler. This is common.

If that isn't the problem, these machines can be slowed by wrapping thin tape around the flywheel to increase its diameter. It doesn't take many tuns but it should be even without any wrinkles to avoid worsening the wow and flutter.

Rob

Rob-NYC wrote:

I think that the speed is a tad fast, is there a way to slow the motor spinning speed?

Julie, most jukeboxes run at least a bit fast. If this one is too speedy for your taste, first check the motor pulley for rubber deposits from the idler. This is common.

If that isn't the problem, these machines can be slowed by wrapping thin tape around the flywheel to increase its diameter. It doesn't take many tuns but it should be even without any wrinkles to avoid worsening the wow and flutter.

Rob

Hi Rob,
Ok I will clean the motor pulley only.
It is not Chipmunk fast so it is not that bad I only notice it in songs I know very well
Did you read about my oil drama? Looks like you guys were right from the beginning.. As soon as I found the bolt like oil hole that Ron described, within seconds after I oiled it ALL the adjustments set ups I made for were undone / out of this world The 33rpm adapter point came up almost kicking in the record guide plate as if it was happy to see me or something
Asked the previous owner if he'd ever oil this machine and he said last time was 10 years ago when he tried to fix it
And all the places I oiled did not provoque this. But fortunately with all my new found knowledge thanks to you guys, it did not take as long to re adjust everything
I thought the oil pit was this, I oiled it every day hahahaha:

Julie,
So ? Izzit finally fizzed ??? Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Julie,
So ? Izzit finally fizzed ??? Ron Rich

Well, Ron, It is surely Lubricated...
I have adjusted all I could, after the famous Oiling of the pit that looks like the top of a bolt.. and I will see tonight after work if it has ''moved'' again as this baby's turntable mech was not oiled f or at least 10 years....After that I will also install the new needle and cart as the original cartridge looks like it went under a car...
I will let you know first hand!
Thanks!