Phonoland

Hi There
can any body tell me about an 1957 hmv 78rpm record sung by Eydie Gorme one side is until they sail and the other side is love me forever, i can find this on 45 but can not find anything about the one i have on a 78rpm, all i know is she recorded this for the film until they sail for ABC paramount recording, pop. 432 with david raskin and the m.g.m studio orchestra,
I bought about 100, 78s at a boot sale and this was in there
Thank you
sharon

True. The early part of the era 1947-1951 (or so) when a variety of record format were available is referred as "the war of the speeds" when the public had their choice of 78s (standard records), and newly introduced 45s and LPs (33 1/3) -- see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record

HMV continued to offer 78s until the end of the 1950s, though by that time, it was a dwindling market. Because the master recording, starting in the mid-to-late 1940s, was done on tape the same exact recording was offered on both the 78 or 45 rpm disc--or on LPs in album format. (To add to the confusion, album sets were also available in 78 and 45 rpm formats.)

In certain foreign markets, 78s were available until the late 1960s -- http://www.cool78s.com/

By the way, you'll notice that on the 45 rpm label, it says, "ABC Paramount Recording" -- http://www.45cat.com/record/pop432
That means that the ABC-Paramount master was pressed on the HMV label, probably under license contract. Information about that recording appears on this site -- http://www.78discography.com/ABCParamount.htm

Joe

Thank you both for your reply i am new to collecting 78s so wanted to find out some information' most i can find on the net but i was just stuck with this record i have of Eydie gorme as i said i can find this song and a 45 but i can not find out any information as to the 78 i have of until they sail composer david raskin made for the film until they sail, wanted to find out how many was pressed if there is anyway to find out and if it is worth keeping in my collection
Thank you again for you reply's
Regards
Sharon

Sorry forgot to say that it also says ABC paramount recording on the 78 i have
Regards
Sharon

These 78s were made because many people had not yet replaced their one-speed (78) phonographs (They didn't have Microsoft demanding that they upgrade every three years. ). The dual (or triple) inventory lasted in each market for about 10 years.

The 33 LP format debuted in the US in 1948, and the 45 appeared in 1949. But they did not cross the ocean until 1950, when HMV and Philips started making them. In 1957, the US market was almost devoid of the 78, but the UK, Canadian, and European markets were still heavily selling 78s then. And many European companies kept the 78 far longer, instead of introducing the 45.

This record is a UK release of an American recording. Any HMV recording marketed in the US MUST be released on some other label (due to trademark ownership by RCA in the US). Electrola is one of the labels HMV uses to get around the trademark problem to sell recordings in the US. Or they might license the recording to another company in the US.

A little history here: Victor was broken up into several different companies when countries started passing isolationist laws in the 1920s and 1930s. Among the companies formed from Victor are RCA Victor (US), Deutche Grammophon (Germany), His Master's Voice (UK), and Nippon Victor (Japan, now JVC).

But each of these companies had to create other brand names to sell products in other markets, because they all owned the same Victor trademarks in their respective countries. Among the other brands they created for export use are the record labels Electrola, Odeon, Angel, Camden, Nivico, and JVC.

The same thing happened to Decca (forming the brands London, Philips, and Norelco) and Columbia Records.

This particular record was sold in the UK. it is just a foreign release of the same recording found on the US 45. ABC Paramount licensed it's product to another company (in this case, HMV) for release in the UK. It is very rare in the US (since any HMV recording in the US must have been carried or shipped there by an individual), but not in the UK. But there were many more copies of the 45 sold in the US.