seeburg lpc-1 vs ss160 control centers

Can anyone tell me in the TCC-1 can be used on a SS160 which uses the SCC-1 ? Thanks!

Hi Tonily,
I might be able to, if I could understand the question?? You might re-phrase it, and I'll attempt to help.
Ron Rich

-If- the question is whether a control center for an LPC can be used in an SS160 -the answer no.

With a LOT of modification anything can be done, but the LPC unit uses different write-in/ read-out polarities and there are a lot of circuits in the LPC that would have to be removed or altered. The SS160 was so much simpler and more advanced, there is no point.

A somewhat easier task would be to integrate electronics from an LS-1-2. This would require some wiring and switch changes to accommodate the speed unit as the SS-160 was native 33 and the LS series were 45 and used a different speed unit.

Rob/NYC

Thanks for the explanation Rob!

Thanks Ron,
Yes, the question was whether the control center from a LPC-1 could be used on a SS160.

Tonily,
The TCC-1(or 2) is used on both LPC models, only
The SCC-1 is used on the U-100 models, only*
The SCC-3, Code A or B, is used on the PFEA-1U model only**
The SCC-4 is used on the APFEA-1 model only***
The SCC-3, Code C, is required on the SS-160 model , if using the SSU-3 unit, with SCH's--otherwise a Code B will work.
* Code A, SCC-1's need to be modified to code B, for dependable use
** Code A, SCC-3's need to be modified to Code B or C, for dependable use
*** Code A, SCC-4's need to be modified to code C for dependable use
Ron Rich

Thanks Ron,
Great info, I'll make note of these...I had decided to go ahead and give the SCC-3 a go at troubleshooting..totally re-capped the unit...found 150k resistor was open..Both 1 meg resistors at the voltage doubler were way out tolerance and replace those as well, and while at it I also replaced both rectifiers (cr3108 & c3109)..27 vDC, 40 vdc & 24 vac are all there..Still having the same original problem ( no 150 vdc)...Only 1.8 vdc..this voltage fluctuates within the 900 MV while scanning and back to 1.8 briefly at both ends of travel...driving me crazy...Any advice?...detent is clean and adjusted...1.8 vdc there as well....Once again thanks for your help!

Here are two scans from the Seeburg SS160 'Training Manual" dated August 1966
SSC-3:
(Note: scans remove as questionable copyrighted material-- see your service manuals)

As you can see the control center is extremely simple. The readout 150VDC source is depicted as the topmost winding on the transformer. If you remove the mech plug and voltage still is absent/low obviously the problem is in the unit.

If voltage returns, use the mech schematic to trace it out.

Since this print is probably early in the run it is possible that some minor changes were made later, but this is the classic Tormat schematic so I doubt anything radical would have been done.

Good luck.

Rob/NYC

Thanks Rob,
I am very thankful for those copies...The ones I had were not very good copies and difficult to see.. Question; Would the 150 vdc be present at the bench without any of the plugs connected?...Note: This morning I disconnected the red wires coming out of transformer and had ony 43 volts without any load.

Thanks again
Tonily

Tonil
Assuming that you are measuring correctly, your meter is good, and input voltage to the transformer is correct--I would suspect the transformer is "loosing" abut 100 volts inside itself ? I would expect to read 140-150 VAC on the red wires. Ron Rich

Thanks Ron,
I kinda was suspecting that...If I were to add a transformer, does it has to be 150 volts secondary? I have a few donors laying around..have a tsa10 and a couple of old wurltzer donors, speed unit for DS, speed unit off a DCC1...Once again Thaks for your time and assistance.
Tonily

Tonily,
I would say "pretty close"--I just measured a SCC-7 (connected), which uses the same circuit--142.9 VAC--
Ron Rich

Thank you for taking the time to check Ron.
Kind regards,
Tonily

To whomever removed the Seeburg schematic scans that I posted, There is NO indication of "copyright" on any of this material.

This 47 year old data from obsolete machines is long-since public domain- if there was ever a question of this.

I saved this material from a boxes headed for the garbage in the late 80s as the jukebox industry closed up here in Manhattan.

If our hobby is to survive it will require timely and accurate information delivered via the internet -this is how younger hobbyists will require it.

Censoring, deleting this information in some vain attempt to force people to buy some company's reprint or paid download is counterproductive.

Rob/NYC

Hello Rob,

We are not sure if the scans you posted were copyrighted or not, but I do hope you can understand that we have to be cautious about these things. If we are not sure, unfortunately the only way to be on the safe side is to remove them. That's what happend here.

It's absolutely not our intention to spoil the fun and helpfullness of visitors, but if we want to keep this forum up & running, we have to avoid any potential problems as much as we can.

Kind regards,
Marcel.