Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

The lounge where a collector can relax. For topics that don't fit into the forums.



Topic author
shane
Senior Member
Posts: 314
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:50 pm
Location: brisbane,qld.australia

Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by shane » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:29 pm

Hi all!

Thought I'd give Joe's advise a go, and post a "mechanical music" topic, as some other members may have an interest in similar items. Anyway- here we go!

I bought this Aeolian push-up piano player a few years ago, (mainly because I have my grandfather's Beale Hapsberg, I can't play it, and don't have room for another piano/pianola), but have found very little information on the net about it.
It is capable of playing both 58 note & 65 note rolls, and I think dates from about 1902. About all I've found on the net, are old adverts for similar pianola's, but the closest I've come to finding this model is one that looks identical, except mine has sliding doors to conseal the pedals, and all the ones in the ad's have swinging doors. I've made a start on restoring the woodwork, but don't know enough about them to feel confident in tackling the inner works. I have a friend that restores pianola's etc, that can help out with the works once I save the dollars to buy the different leathers for the bellows etc.

I'm in two minds as to replacing the tubing. My friend is quite adiment on using original style rubber for the tubing, but I think modern plastic(PVA?) tubing would probably last longer, and might be cheaper as well. Are there any advantages to using rubber, other than for authenticity?
I'm also wondering if these were designated model numbers or names, like phonographs and gramophones?
Also, I haven't been able to find any rolls for this- I saw a couple on ebay a while ago, but missed the end of the auction! My main problem here is that I don't really know what to look for. I know they differ from normal pianola rolls, which have a "female" end to the rolls, but thats about it. Is there a specific brand or something that I should be looking or asking for. I've emailed sellers on ebay, asking about the ends or the number of notes, but they usually give me some obscure answer. They either know less about them than me(if thats posible) or get confused with my asking about male or female ends on the rolls.

Image

Just an after thought- below is a pic of the speed indicator. I want to replace the worn writing on it. Below the numbers, it should say PIANOLA, and I've started ruling it up etc to re-write it, but below that, along the bottom, it's also missing some words. It looks like it was written in "Olde English" text, but I can't make out what it said. I thought probably something like "The Aeolian Co, New York", but it doesn't look like what was there. Any idea's??

Image


Joe_DS
Forum Moderator
Posts: 1056
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:23 pm
Location: San Francisco, California, USA

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by Joe_DS » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:52 am

Hi Shane:

What a BEAUTIFUL example of an early "piano player." I take it you've already seen this site?
http://www.pianola.org/history/history_pianoplayers.cfm
(Site map: http://www.pianola.org/site_map.cfm )

The one you have looks nearly identical to the "original Pianola" model -->


Image


Topic author
shane
Senior Member
Posts: 314
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:50 pm
Location: brisbane,qld.australia

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by shane » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:51 am

Thanks Joe. The woodwork is about half finished, but I want to make it a bit darker to match my piano. I'll probably tackle that once the inners are restored. I have seen that site before, and the model pictured is in a couple ads I've found. It is identical except for the sliding doors on mine. I should imagine mine would be a slightly later model than the one pictured. I'd like to find a picture of the original tool used to adjust the height. Mine came with a large bent nail that was shaped to fit. It does the job, but looks pretty ugly. I also have to get 4 glass castor cups for the piano, as the player won't go quite low enough for the keys, but I guess "back in the day"' all piano's sat on the cups. Luckily, the adaptor for the shorter 58 note rolls was still there. I managed to find a nice sewing machine key that was a perfect fit for the hood and door locks.
I used to demonstrate a similar player at our local museum, when I was in high school, and wanted one ever since. I was wrapped when I tracked this one down. They don't come along very often out here. I think I've only seen 4 in the last 30 yrs.


Hal Klassen
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:31 pm
Location: Canada

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by Hal Klassen » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:32 am

Hi Shane, that is a lovely push-up. It looks like it may have been refinished at one time [the dark band around the decal is probably the original colour] The problem with plastic tubing, is it has no memory, like rubber and the rubber has lasted 100 years----with plastic --who knows? Many early machines used lead tubing and under ideal conditions, it should last even longer. Is your tracker bar wood? I recently sold my Chase & Baker push-up, but never had to do anything to it as it had very low miles on it. :wink:
Hal Klassen


DanielOZ
Junior Member
Posts: 8
Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:05 am

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by DanielOZ » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:10 pm

shane wrote:I'm in two minds as to replacing the tubing. My friend is quite adiment on using original style rubber for the tubing, but I think modern plastic(PVA?) tubing would probably last longer, and might be cheaper as well. Are there any advantages to using rubber, other than for authenticity?

Image



Hi there
You have a wonderful piece there! , a real gem.
In regards to your tubing , you will need to try and stick with rubber.What happens when you use is PVA tubing is , there is a chemical reaction to the brass nipples (that the PVA gets pushed onto at each end) and not only does the tubing turn yellow and hard , but it also bleeds out a substance that is oily in feel and this runs down inside the tube and can either block valves inside or even block the air flow inside the tube itself.

Also i think some of the wording that is missing on your tempo plate could be markings as in "mezzoforte- forte ect" (slow to fast).

Regards Daniel.


Topic author
shane
Senior Member
Posts: 314
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:50 pm
Location: brisbane,qld.australia

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by shane » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:45 pm

Thanks Daniel,

Now that you mention it, I think I've seen pianolas with PVA tubing that has gone hard and yellowed. Looks like it will be rubber then. I'll have to check the tempo plate next time I can get to the push-up. It's packed in a back room surrounded by boxes of **** at the moment.


DanielOZ
Junior Member
Posts: 8
Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:05 am

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by DanielOZ » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:19 am

shane wrote:Thanks Daniel,

Now that you mention it, I think I've seen pianolas with PVA tubing that has gone hard and yellowed. Looks like it will be rubber then. I'll have to check the tempo plate next time I can get to the push-up. It's packed in a back room surrounded by boxes of **** at the moment.



Hi Shane
Ive sent you a PM mate.
Regards Daniel :)

User avatar

Record-changer
Senior Member
Posts: 1139
Joined: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:11 pm
Location: Bloomington IN USA

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by Record-changer » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:48 pm

Modern synthetic rubbers last a lot longer than natural rubber.
http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com

Daylight-stupid time uses more gasoline.


Hal Klassen
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:31 pm
Location: Canada

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by Hal Klassen » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:47 pm

Record Changer, to repeat my earlier post, the rubber tubing in some players is still servicable after 80 plus years. To state that synthetics last much longer is at best a guess. Also cost is a big factor. A 100 ft. roll of the proper tubing is around $40.00. The ease of stretching it over the nipples, the resistance to kinking, the wall thickness and many other factors make it the best product for the job. I don't think "natural" rubber has been used since 1910 or so, [it was white] but we still call it rubber. The original question was about plastic tubing.
Hal Klassen


Topic author
shane
Senior Member
Posts: 314
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:50 pm
Location: brisbane,qld.australia

Re: Aeolian push-up piano player info wanted

by shane » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:42 am

DanielOZ wrote:
shane wrote:Thanks Daniel,

Now that you mention it, I think I've seen pianolas with PVA tubing that has gone hard and yellowed. Looks like it will be rubber then. I'll have to check the tempo plate next time I can get to the push-up. It's packed in a back room surrounded by boxes of **** at the moment.



Hi Shane
Ive sent you a PM mate.
Regards Daniel :)


Hi Daniel,
I've just sent you a PM. If your scratching you head wondering what a "orchestrel" is, it should have said "orchestrion"! :oops:
Shane

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

It is currently Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:27 am