DS100 Sevice Switch

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DS100 Sevice Switch

by ds100h » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:00 pm

I am in need of a Seeburg DS100 Service Switch or a work around to solve my problem. I lose the 25 volts that comes from the receiver to the service switch and can not find it coming back out of the switch? Is there a away to repair this switch? Have not been able to find one on ebay or in the usual places.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Ron Rich » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:03 pm

This problem is usually caused by the spring in the flat/slide switch, breaking. If that's the case, a rubber band, hooked over the black plastic, can be used to sub for the spring, for now.
I understand that "A-1" (Patrick-JBUSA) stocks the spring, he might also have the switch ?-- see "--where to find" above in announcements-- or you can purchase a whole new re-designed switch from any good electronics store. It is a "Switchcraft" brand item.
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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:35 pm

Ron I have a similar problem. I find the ac voltage on one leg of the manual credit switch, but it is not making it back to the pricing unit. I can see a grey wire coming from the manual credit switch that goes to a soldering strip and joins up with a red wire that heads to I think pin 5 of pricing unit jack. I assume this grey wire normally carries the ac. Can this be jumpered so that the ac is always present at the pricing unit or will this cause problems with other features of the service and credit switches?


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Ron Rich » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:14 pm

Joe,
Is the small, spring loaded, switch working ?
Sorry--I don't know the wire colors-- Ron Rich


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:00 pm

I'm not with the jukebox at the moment Ron, but I remember sliding the switch back and forth to all positions trying to get the ac voltage to show at the pricing unit and no go. I can't remember if a spring set it to the left position automatically or not. I think maybe so because I must have come to the conclusion that was the normal position of the switch.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:17 pm

I found the ac voltage from the receiver on a soldering strip lug just a short distance from the red wire heading to the pricing unit. I put a jumper across and the pricing unit woke up. I was just afraid to leave the jumper in place because I figured there must be a reason the ac goes through the switch. Maybe there are times the voltage must be cut to the pricing unit.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by ds100h » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:33 pm

The scan lever works as does the return spring on the scan lever. The the flat/slide snap switch is still spring loaded and spring does work. Although, what I have read in the manual, has never worked for me. It says that if you hold the scan lever in the scan position while pushing the snap slide switch twice to the right it will give you a credit, I have never been able to do this in 30 years.

I have an email into him (Patrick-JBUSA) to see waht he has available, also checked with Vern and with Denny & Steve, also Bill Bicker.

Thanks for some ideas to explore
Darrell


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Ron Rich » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:27 am

Joe,
There are two "switches" in that assembly--both should be spring loaded.
The "bat handle" switch has three positions only --"normal (play)" position is to the right. "up" is a "control position". This shuts off the read out circuit, and if you toggle the small switch, twice, while the mech is scanning, it will stop the mech. The third position starts the mechanism scanning, and if held all the way to the left (against the spring pressure) "toggling" the slide switch, will add one nickel to the pricing wheel for each toggle, or, depending on how the pricing is set, one dime on each toggle.
The "slide switch" has a return spring--depending on the way it was inserted into the housing, it should snap all the way back to one side, if not being held by your finger--or something else--like a broken bit of plastic ?
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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:48 am

Thanks Ron. The flat slide switch seems to return to it's default position ok with it's spring but no 25 volts ac is linked to the pricing unit. Maybe an internal contact is broken or dirty. It's been a day or 2 since I took the readings, but I think I measured the 25 volts ac into the slide switch but found no ac out.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:53 am

Is the slide switch even needed if your setup for free play anyway. Can I just shunt the 25 volts ac to pin 5 of the pricing unit?


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:18 am

I thought about doing a shunt, but I was afraid to leave a jumper in place in case it adversely affected the interaction between the two switches.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Ron Rich » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:02 am

Are there two or three wires connected to the slide switch ? You can jump the com. and NC, without any problems if there are only two wires. If there are three, I would not do so, as I don't know what would happen if the switch was actuated--( you could clip the third wire-- ) BTW, What is the problem you are having with the phono ? Ron Rich


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:21 am

Ron we just lost the 25 volts ac to the pricing unit and couldn't make a selection with the free selection button.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:25 am

There is just a button momentary contact switch spliced into one of lines that used to go to the coin box.


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Re: DS100 Sevice Switch

by Joe_Blow » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:39 am

I suppose we could splice into the 25ac line from the receiver before it gets to the switches since we don't need to make selections with the slide switch. It's first stop in the pricing unit is a fuse bank with 2 fuses protecting circuits.

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