Rock-Ola 449 Problems

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Re: Rock-Ola 449 Problems

by Ron Rich » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:02 pm

Exactly--if that is a graphite based grease, as I suspect, the SAE 20 oil will "soften" and "re-new" it.
Can you turn the gripper motor by hand ? Ron Rich

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Re: Rock-Ola 449 Problems

by DoghouseRiley » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:50 am

TurboJordo wrote:It'll be a big job to get all the grease out of this jukebox, All the Gears are caked in thick black grease. I'll try my best :shock:


Like many hobbies, this one requires patience, the natural urge is to try to get it up and running as soon as possible.
But if you take your time you will be rewarded in the long run for it.
Remember, a jukebox was designed to run up to twelve hours a day seven days a week, so a lot of engineering went into them, so they deserve the care and attention needed to bring them back to a good standard, which then should continue to give you good service for a number of years yet.

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Re: Rock-Ola 449 Problems

by TurboJordo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:34 pm

Ron Rich wrote:Exactly--if that is a graphite based grease, as I suspect, the SAE 20 oil will "soften" and "re-new" it.
Can you turn the gripper motor by hand ? Ron Rich

I'm hoping so!, The Gripper and Basket turns a little back and forth, no more than an half an inch or so of movement.

DoghouseRiley wrote:
Like many hobbies, this one requires patience, the natural urge is to try to get it up and running as soon as possible.
But if you take your time you will be rewarded in the long run for it.
Remember, a jukebox was designed to run up to twelve hours a day seven days a week, so a lot of engineering went into them, so they deserve the care and attention needed to bring them back to a good standard, which then should continue to give you good service for a number of years yet.


Too True, It has Lots of potential but If Jukeboxes were easy, Everyone would have one :lol:


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Re: Rock-Ola 449 Problems

by Ron Rich » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:04 am

I HOPE you are not attempting to turn either the basket itself, or move the gripper itself ?? These are "movable by hand", ONLY by turning the Knurled screw on the rear of the motors--any other "attempts" at moving them WILL cause damage !
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Re: Rock-Ola 449 Problems

by DoghouseRiley » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:30 pm

Ron Rich wrote:I HOPE you are not attempting to turn either the basket itself, or move the gripper itself ?? These are "movable by hand", ONLY by turning the Knurled screw on the rear of the motors--any other "attempts" at moving them WILL cause damage !
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Yes, as Ron says attempting to turn the carousel will put a strain on the gear mechanism as there will be a huge "mechanical advantage" doing that. Try working the cylinder at the base of the gripper arm, after using some penetrating oil on it. this should be able to spring a few millimetres towards the carousel. But don't use the gripper arm as a lever.

You'll see how all the ways it should move, when you turn the knob on the end of the gripper motor in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=morLkJDxWyg

You'll also see there's no grease visible on my machine. The limited amount of "home use" they get means they don't really need it.

Here's the lubricating oil I use, but only a couple of times a year.

http://www.starrett.co.uk/shop/precisio ... rumentoil/

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Re: Rock-Ola 449 Problems

by TurboJordo » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:04 pm

Hi Guys sorry for the delay, Yeah the Basket turns about half an inch so it isn't seized and we've turned the jukebox back to the starting position by hand (Knurled Post). We're going to go over it with a multi-tester and find out whats getting power

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