M100C, arrived and already I'm in trouble!

OK guys, I'll chime in--
I agree 100 %with Rob ! However I have been answering the same questions over and over for years ( part of the reason for the above "stickies"). My feelings are if a person is too lazy, or un-inclinded, or un-able, to purchase, AND, read the manuals, I do not have time to hold his/her hand ! I have also learned ( well, maybe ) never to ASSUME. If I can visualize two or more ways a question could be answered, I usually will ask for clarifications. Also, it appears to me very often that the person is either not capable of understanding/doing what he/she was told, or is lying about having already "done that". At that point, ( or if I feel the person may hurt him/herself) I suggest a "pro".
Ron Rich

And I'll agree with Ron Rich on his opinions as well.
I'm an experienced servicer/restorer here, and I provide these services to my customers as well.
I feel that these "vintage" types of equipment are a lot more valuable than today's "made in china" crap, and deserve to be properly restored to their original (and safe) operating condition.
If someone takes a liking to these old relics, great!
If they don't understand, have the experience, or have the "tools" to get it working again, it's just best to invest in having someone do it for them.
This can be costly, sure, but the value of the equipment is at stake here, and one wrong move by some tinkerer trying to save a buck - then you've got a heap of junk there, and to me that's just a foolish waste of time and energy. - not to mention it ticks me off, because I love all this old stuff, and hate to see it butchered.
I want people to enjoy these things as much as I do. - for a long time.
Invest in a proper "fix", don't cut corners and be a cheapwad - because just replacement parts alone will cost you money these days.
And if these costs are "too much for you" then you shouldn't get invoved in the "hobby" at all - until you can afford it.

These endless threads of back & forth "duh, what should I do now" are irritating as well, and I often see trouble coming for the poor equipment being talked about.
There are just too many nuances, adjustments, and things to address in dealing with repairs, and it cannot realistically be dealt with across a computer screen.
It can't replace "hands on" by an experienced tech, and never will.

If a person finds such simple redundant question so irritating and boring, Why even bother? Contrary to some opinions, this stuff isn't rocket science. I have yet to find one I couldn't fix. Same goes for amps and old radios. I am not an engineer, a "tech" or a "qualified repairman" I suppose. But along the line, I was given a lot of help from people that were. I see no harm in using your experience to help someone try to fix his own jukebox. What seems simple to you, may be challenging to a beginner. I think back to when I started in the old radio hobby over 35 years ago. I had zero electronic training. I could use a multimeter, that was about it. I had bought an Atwater Kent that had a bad transformer. An old timer took the time to explain the circuits in the set and help me repair it myself. He was local, so he could have just as easily said "bring it to me, I'm a tech, this is too dangerous" or whatever. Fixing that radio got me started on a very long journey. A very fulfilling journey. Had the old man killed my desire at the get go, it probably would have turned out much different.

Folks,

I feel my thread has been, to using modern parlance, highjacked. Can I suggest that discussion would be better suited on a different thread if it is to continue.

Personally I have ordered the manuals, including Ron's and will study them while waiting for my tech to arrive Friday. I will try and not ask questions that can be answered in the documents, and look forward to working with you all to better (not fully!) understand these wonderful machines.

I cannot guarantee I will not ask a stupid question, but I will do everything I can to avoid doing so!

I'll report back after the tech has visited. I'd love to get this machine closer to 100% (e.g. putting back AVC tubes and control, even down to putting back the decals and ID plate on the back) but need to get it safe first.

eddie wrote:If a person finds such simple redundant question so irritating and boring, Why even bother? Contrary to some opinions, this stuff isn't rocket science. I have yet to find one I couldn't fix. Same goes for amps and old radios. I am not an engineer, a "tech" or a "qualified repairman" I suppose. But along the line, I was given a lot of help from people that were. I see no harm in using your experience to help someone try to fix his own jukebox. What seems simple to you, may be challenging to a beginner. I think back to when I started in the old radio hobby over 35 years ago. I had zero electronic training. I could use a multimeter, that was about it. I had bought an Atwater Kent that had a bad transformer. An old timer took the time to explain the circuits in the set and help me repair it myself. He was local, so he could have just as easily said "bring it to me, I'm a tech, this is too dangerous" or whatever. Fixing that radio got me started on a very long journey. A very fulfilling journey. Had the old man killed my desire at the get go, it probably would have turned out much different.

"Eddie" you seem to have a chip on your shoulder. You fail to understand the one fundamental difference between your experience decades ago and this forum.

Back then all these interactions were face-to-face. The older guys who helped you could actually see the situation with whatever was under repair and also guide you and keep you from making things worse, or perhaps getting electrocuted. Here we have to be somewhat "conservative" (hard word for me to use) because I/we don't want to make things worse for someone or get them injured.+

One of my laments about these forums is that we must try to help people while relying on their description of the problem. This is the same thing I face every time I get a service call from one of my locations. The best I can tell people there is "pull the plug and pick up the phone".

Answering on these forums is a relatively new experience for me too. If you don't like my approach or those of others here, just read elsewhere.

Rob

Rob, my post wasn't directed toward you. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. It would seem that you do by telling me to hit the door if I don't like it. I'm not going to. It would seem others are the ones that are unhappy. You have a so-called "tech" who's most frequent response is "you need to take it to a qualified service tech". You have another that asks every new poster if he has a manual. Then makes fun of them because they don't use correct "terms". Nothing has changed since the old man helped me. We used a telephone instead of a computer. Same thing. people helping each other. This forum is about helping others. Or that was my impression. Maybe I'm wrong.

eddie wrote:Rob, my post wasn't directed toward you. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. It would seem that you do by telling me to hit the door if I don't like it. I'm not going to. It would seem others are the ones that are unhappy. .

"Eddie" if you had a problem with certain people you should have directed your comments to them -by name or handle.

Rob/NYC

Guys,
We attempt to keep this forum"civil"--so in that attempt, I am closing this topic--nuff said !
Ron Rich