Phonoland

So she was working like a gem. But then, after I messed around with stopping and starting the motor, she went past A1 and stopped. Now no amount of credits, switch switching, or button pushing will get her going again. I have the service manuals, but not the operator's manual. Last night, I was able to get the motor going, then stopped. I lifted the release lever and moved the motor over to A1. And I got it to pick up the record and play it. But when it finished playing it didn't stop and return the record to the rack. I then lifted the release lever and it released the record to the rack and returned all the way to beyond A1. So one theory is I toggled something with all my switch switching and button pushing, a shutdown command or something...is there a way to reset the unit or reboot it? Or should that automatically happen when I unplug it?

Again, I am a brand new jukebox owner. I don't even know what cleaners I should use to get this girl shining on the inside. Could use help with that too.

Hi Newbie,
Welcome--
You say you have the service manual--look at the page that shows the "Reversing Switch"--somehow you have messed it up on that Gem !! Ron Rich

You sir, are a genius. Thank you. The paddle that hangs off the switch, was hanging on by the remnants of the metal "rivets" that once held it in place. Of course, when I touched it, it broke off, fell, and slide down into the darkness of the machine. Upon retrieving it, I puzzled over how I might reattach it. Finally got a twist-tie from out of the junk drawer, threaded it through the holes, twisted it tight and now the thing is making music. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I asked for your two cents and got a great one-cent fix.

Himmmmmmm, Glad it's working ---but----
Now you "got me" ---rivets ?--I don't recall ever seeing "rivets" in the reversing switch ??
The switch "body" should be (was), screwed onto a "sideways facing "L" bracket" ( the part number is usually stamped on the side of this "bracket") with two screws and a "pressure plate" on the top.
Can you shoot me a photo--or post it here ?
Ron Rich

I will try to get a photo. I probably didn't explain it right. They weren't rivets per say, more like grommets. The best way to describe it is, they look like two thin tubes that were stuck through the holes in the top of the paddle or rudder-shaped fin that flips the reversing switch back and forth when it runs into the metal stops below the motor's track. These thin tubes were then crimped so that they rolled back, kind of like rivets, creating a metal ridge that was larger than opening the tubes went through and thus securing the "paddle" to the switch. (Also securing a small thin rectangle of metal. There was no L-bracket. Now, this is merely what was remaining. If there were screws, or should have been, or an L-bracket, they have disappeared.)

Something's REAL strange here--or, we are on different "pages"--, post a photo, please--
Ron Rich

Is this how it goes with these jukeboxes, just when you get one thing figured out something else happens? For one glorious hour it was working brilliantly. I turned it off and walked away feeling good.

Then last night, I plug it back in to show off to the girlfriend that the hunk of junk is now something very cool and operational and it proceeds to scan back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. If I manually flip the release lever, it stops, and picks up whatever record it is in front of. But that doesn't impress the Lady. No. She has no desire to reach back and try to time the throwing of the lever, so that the jukebox picks up the album she wants to play. Noooo...SHE wants to select a number and letter and have the jukebox do all the work. Women, right?

Any idea what I screwed up when I tied to fix the reversing switch?



This is the paddle, or leaf, that I reattached with a twist tie.

For some reason, I can't open that pix ? When I "click it" nothing happens, but if I go to board index, and back to jukes, and look at it it states that I ( or someone) has viewed it one more time ? Anyone got any ideas ?? Ron Rich

Oh, yea, to answer your question--It just seems that when you have 40 year old equipment that has had minimal maintenance, if not downright abused, one thing after another is "worn out" ! I wonder what an Ipod will look like--work like 40 years from now ??? Ron Rich

Ron, could you tell me the simplest reason the unit is Scanning Back and Forth? Or direct the to one of the many times on this forum that question has been asked? I have to go out of town and want to get the thing working for the weekend if possible. Hoping you could give me a couple of quick "Check this's".

Still gonna try to get that picture to ya. Here's another route we could try...in the LS1 Service manual Section 20-22. Page 36. Second image down, shows the "leaf" or paddle as I call it. In the image are two holes like little eyeballs, and it was in these holes that I had, what I called rivets. But unlike rivets, they were hollow. So more like grommets. But definitely not screws.

OK--looking at that page, I am assuming that you are speaking of the "paddle" that hangs down ? If so those two "eyes" are rivets--hollow core rivets.
Look at the next page, check the IM3-1M4 contacts, as they are in the read out circuit.
"That question" has been asked a "bizillion times"--and there are a half bizzilion answers--but you have pined it down to an open in the read out circuit
Check out the "simplified" read oout circuit as shown on 10-22-16. Ron Rich

Thanks for checking in. My "Gem" plays now. Ron pointed me in the right direction. So far the twist-tie from an old loaf of bread is working like a charm.

There is a broken wire in the cable bundle that runs from the selector to the motor. If the wires aren't the perfect angle, the motor won't go. So I try not to move it too much.

Still need doors for the front of the cabinet. And I need a new needle. I think I bought some bad ones on Ebay. That's what you get when you go for the lowest price.

One day, when I have the space, I'll clean all the parts, change out some capacitors, and maybe get into finding that wire, but right now, I can't. It's amazing how just having the thing able to play records changes your Lady's opinion of the jukebox. Now, she loves it. As opposed to earlier when it was 400lbs of metal, glass, cob webs, and silence.

I also discovered that Alabama Mud Daubers can lie dormant for 6 months, can survive freezing temperatures, and hatch in Spring. Just after Christmas, I drove my jukebox from Alabama to California. Across mountains, through snowstorms, and through the desert. In May, I noticed the dog was staring at something on the carpet. It was a dead wasp. Then I discovered a wasp under the glass where you insert the album's cards. I thought, no way these can be Alabama Wasps. Then two showed up by the coin mechanism. Armed with a can of Raid and a flashlight, I finally discovered the nest, grabbed it with my BBQ tongs and tossed it out. That was something not covered in my Maintenance Manual.

Oh, yes it is covered--I covered it on page 69, of my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide"--guess you do not have a copy -- ( glad it's working!)
Ron Rich