WANTED: 1946 Magnavox Belvedere
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ManorAvenue
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I enjoyed seeing that history of the changers/turntables, but I didn't see the one that I recall being in our family's Magnavox. On the topic of that twin-arm Cobra (the green and burgundy), I think being the model that recorded and played discs, there was one of those on Ebay not long ago, but the seller had a very poor feedback rating so I was hesitant to purchase.
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ManorAvenue
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This is all the type of thing I leave to my radio/TV restoration man; the extent of my repair abilities as far as ANYTHING mechanic is concerned is a roll of Scotch tape! I know the extent of my own inabilities and that's why, out of a desire not to ruin a phonograph, TV or whatever else, I leave it to the experts such as yourself. Anything I attempted to repair would wind up looking like the brick barbecue that Lucy and Ethel attempted to reconstruct after taking it apart to search for Lucy's lost wedding ring suspected of having fallen into the mortar.
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The twin-armed Zenith shown played both 33 and 78 with different arms with different tracking forces. The 33 arm was manually operated (Zenith hadn't yet solved the problem of getting a 33 arm to trip the change cycle without yanking the stylus out of the groove).
I have seen the recording arm Zenith. It had only the 78 speed, and the recording arm was 2 inches wide (the recording driver is over an inch wide - I used to have one). Its arm was mounted diagonally opposite the playing arm.
I have seen the recording arm Zenith. It had only the 78 speed, and the recording arm was 2 inches wide (the recording driver is over an inch wide - I used to have one). Its arm was mounted diagonally opposite the playing arm.
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ManorAvenue
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Thank you very much for the tip on the Craigslist posting.
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guest
any luck on finding the belvedere?
I have one the only difference is the turntable has 4 speeds, 16,33,45,& 78.
I have one the only difference is the turntable has 4 speeds, 16,33,45,& 78.
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ManorAvenue
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No, never found the Belvedere. What year is your model? I imagine it must be into the 1950's with all four speeds -- or do you have the 1946-48 Belvedere model with a later turntable? My family's Belvedere, I later learned, was a 1948, because it had 33 and 78 speeds. If it were a 1946, it would have had only 78 speed. Let me know more about your Belvedere, please.
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guest
I do not know the history of this one nor where to find info on it. Any suggestions?
Thx
Thx
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ManorAvenue
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If you will send me a photo of the console itself and a photo of the turntable, I will be able to give a better guestimate as to the age. Please send to ghewett@daklaw.com. Thank you -- George
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alot going on "school year starting", will e-mail photos asap.
Thx, Carolyn
Thx, Carolyn
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The 16 rpm speed was introduced in 1953, dating the changer to 1953 or later. Its primary use was the Audio Book, although Chrysler used it for their Hi-Way Hi-Fi system. At that time, the 16 rpm record looked identical to a 45 rpm record, except for the speed: 7-inch with the large hole.
Like I said, the early Webster-Chicago turntables all fit the same base cutout, so they could be interchanged.
The 4-speed Webcor changers were all overarm changers. Overarm changers were first used by Webster-Chicago in 1950. Before that, they used the pusher post.
Note that in 1954, Magnavox had started using Collaro changers instead of Webster-Chicago/Webcor changers.
Like I said, the early Webster-Chicago turntables all fit the same base cutout, so they could be interchanged.
The 4-speed Webcor changers were all overarm changers. Overarm changers were first used by Webster-Chicago in 1950. Before that, they used the pusher post.
Note that in 1954, Magnavox had started using Collaro changers instead of Webster-Chicago/Webcor changers.
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ManorAvenue
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Thanks for the information about the 16 rpm speed; also, the overarm changer. I recall our family's 1948 Belvedere had the pusher post changer as mentioned.
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One thing we have to remember is that people were not thinking about collectability in the late 1940s and early 1950s. They were used to the shortages of everything due to World War II, and had the reuse-it mentality. So, instead of buying a new record player, they upgraded them. I have seen many such upgrades, and have performed a few of them myself. You can often spot an upgrade by the replaced mounting board for the record changer, and by brands that were never manufactured together. I have seen the following:
A 1940s Magnavox with an RCA changer from the late 1950s in it.
A Magnavox with a V-M changer (Magnavox didn't use V-M until the 1970s).
An RCA with an Admiral changer in it.
An RCA with a Collaro RC-54 in it.
An Admiral with a V-M changer (instead of the Admiral changer - I performed this on a console with the changer missing).
There were a few Magnavox portables made in the late 1950s with V-M changers in them, because of a longshoreman's strike. They couldn't get Collaro changers for a few months, because the longshoremen would not unload them from the ships, and threatened others who tried.
A 1940s Magnavox with an RCA changer from the late 1950s in it.
A Magnavox with a V-M changer (Magnavox didn't use V-M until the 1970s).
An RCA with an Admiral changer in it.
An RCA with a Collaro RC-54 in it.
An Admiral with a V-M changer (instead of the Admiral changer - I performed this on a console with the changer missing).
There were a few Magnavox portables made in the late 1950s with V-M changers in them, because of a longshoreman's strike. They couldn't get Collaro changers for a few months, because the longshoremen would not unload them from the ships, and threatened others who tried.
Message for record changer: I bought a magnavox console AM/phono with 12 field coil. called a "traditional" dates '48-50 entry level model( I supose), It came with a ---Collaro, color is silver hammertone model 3rc5xx series that and the manual size selector---. Would this be original? The collaro looks vintage to the unit,and I know you posted that magnavox did not use the collaro until '54. Someone over at magnavox friends said definitly not! I need your opinion. Are these good turntables, seems to play 33s good but needs general servicing. rjh0566
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carolmeyer
I have an old radio similar to the one in video. it lights up and I hear the speakers static, the phono needs belt, but the motor spins. What do you think it is worth, and do you know who I contact to sell it. Carol 512-736-7111, I am in Austin, Texas carolmeyer7@gmail.com
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