Seeburg mech question

I have a Seeburg G and the mech was pretty gummed up. I gave it a proper cleaning and oiling and all is working well, but one thing. The tonearm stays on the left side only and won't slide over to the right when playing a right side.I'm hoping when I do all the adjustments including the pick up adjustments it will help. Just abit concerned as it is not moving at all. Any ideas on anything to look for besides the adjustments?

Hi Juker,
Yep--It ain't "clean" nor properly lubricated.
Remove the assembly--clean and lube to specs. with proper materials, (forgetting the "Lubriplate" !!--see my Seeburg Mechanism Guide), and I'll bet it will be just fine--unless "someone" has "adjusted it" !
Ron Rich

In addition to Ron's suggestion, check the "fork" that returns the arm/cradle to the rest position. This is the casting that runs just behind the tonearm.

There needs to be a bit of play when the arm is st rest. If some 'hole" has monkeyed with the adjustments in this area, possibly in a misguided attempt to stop the arm from boosting in on the first grooves, it will bind the assembly and it won't be able to shift.

Rob/NYC

Rob,
A slight "west coast English lesson" for you NYC guys--
"someone" in quotes, equals both "gepetto", and "hole"--
At least in this case
Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Rob,
A slight "west coast English lesson" for you NYC guys--
"someone" in quotes, equals both "gepetto", and "hole"--
At least in this case
Ron Rich

Oh, you guys out there always like to put on airs.

We NY'ers like to be blunt.

A few years ago an owner of one of my locations thought he could figure out a problem in one of my MM-1 hideaways. he didn't have a flashlight or see the built in worklight, so he used a candle and dripped wax all over the thing.

When I saw this I suggested "why don't you stick to frying burgers and cheating on your taxes. Leave the jukebox stuff to me".

Rob

Rob-NYC wrote:

Ron Rich wrote:Rob,
A slight "west coast English lesson" for you NYC guys--
"someone" in quotes, equals both "gepetto", and "hole"--
At least in this case
Ron Rich

Oh, you guys out there always like to put on airs.

We NY'ers like to be blunt.

A few years ago an owner of one of my locations thought he could figure out a problem in one of my MM-1 hideaways. he didn't have a flashlight or see the built in worklight, so he used a candle and dripped wax all over the thing.

When I saw this I suggested "why don't you stick to frying burgers and cheating on your taxes. Leave the jukebox stuff to me".

Rob

LOL Rob!
I can understand your point quite well!
On occasion I also have DIY "putzes" - MAKING MY JOB HARDER THAN IT HAS TO BE, BECAUSE OF THE PUTZING!

I may sound "condecending" but....

People - stay the FRIK out of these things, and let us PRO'S do the work.
You're not SAVING some dimes because of your desire to be CHEAP.
In fact, most times due to putzing, it winds up costing more, and being more aggravating in the long run.
Not to mention it pisses us guys off.
We're TRAINED to know what to do - we don't need to scope the INTERNET for MISinformation (from other putzers) and "mods" which net little if any improvements!

I don't know about other professional servicers out there but I'm BACKLOGGED with requests from people...
And SLOWING me DOWN by making my job harder trying to UN-SCREWUP what some putz has done just makes the other people waiting have to wait even longer.

Not a good thing.

It's like - people want their cake and eat it too....
"Aquiring" a vintage product and thinking of cheap fixes for it...
NOPE!
You want vintage?
Great!
Then expect to have it restored, properly - if it's to provide the great and reliable service it can offer.

Spend the cash.
It's a one-time investment that you CAN'T negotiate or sidetrack by messing with it yourself.

Know your place.

Hi Guys,
I guess my favorite "experience", of "helpfulness" by a "location owner" was a 3500 WurliTzer, where the fluorescent lamp, lighting the title board failed. This gent "did not have time to call for service", so he "helped out" by hanging a 150 watt incandescent lamp in the center of the record basket !
Of course, an hour or so later, when the phono would not play, he called for service (Friday, or Sat. night, about 9 o'clock). When I got there, a half hour or so later--all of the records had melted way beyond salvage--guess what--he had no music all weekend--Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Hi Guys,
I guess my favorite "experience", of "helpfulness" by a "location owner" was a 3500 WurliTzer, where the fluorescent lamp, lighting the title board failed. This gent "did not have time to call for service", so he "helped out" by hanging a 150 watt incandescent lamp in the center of the record basket !
Of course, an hour or so later, when the phono would not play, he called for service (Friday, or Sat. night, about 9 o'clock). When I got there, a half hour or so later--all of the records had melted way beyond salvage--guess what--he had no music all weekend--Ron Rich

See?
See??

That took BRAINS.... right?
The world is lacking Common Sense.

Matt,
This guy was totally "brainless"--he really "went off" on me when I told him there was nothing that could be done till Monday, when the office opened--He threatened to "--throw both you (me) and the jukebox out into traffic---". I left as quickly as possible. Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Matt,
This guy was totally "brainless"--he really "went off" on me when I told him there was nothing that could be done till Monday, when the office opened--He threatened to "--throw both you (me) and the jukebox out into traffic---". I left as quickly as possible. Ron Rich

Ron,

He did it to himself..... period.
People like that, you don't need their business.

I had a crazy lady in my shop once, threatening me over bullcrap (that she made up in her mind) - her husband whispered to me "Don't get her started"

I wound up telling her to get the hell out of my shop before I tossed her crazy azz out.
Crap like that I don't need.

Thank you all for the responses (and great stories!). I looked it over and as Rob said, some 'hole" had monkeyed it. He had over tightened the fork which caused the assembly to bind. After doing all adjustments and a little more lube as Ron had mentioned it is working great. I'm a West coast person but appreciate Robs "get to the point" NYC style

Hi Guys,
Perhaps I should 'splain circumstances better here--
This was my "2nd job"--it was for an "operators service" in San Francisco. It was strictly an "emergency service" by contract, for about a dozen independent operators in SF, nights and weekends only. We were allowed no more than 15 minutes to "fix it", and we had very little to work with other than lamps and needles--and of course, bailing wire and bubble gum. Most of the time, calls were "stuck coins" or burned out lamps. If something like an amp was fried, we could not fix it--unless the particular operator had stocked his shelf, in our shop with a replacement. If we needed to change an amp, we could only re-attach the jukebox speaker wires to it--we could NOT do any of the remote speakers. We could only change out "functional" lamps--If the complaint was something like a "blinking" fluorescent pilaster lamp, we were not allowed to change it--we would just remove the lamp starter. We wrote a "ticket" on every job, that the operator could pick-up, on Monday morning to address anything that we had done, or not--
The owner of this company was very strict in the rules and always "backed" his employees if a dispute was issued about what was, or was not done. At the same time, he demanded "honesty" from us, and that we did "the best we could do, within the contract"-- A really great guy to work for--unless you "crossed him"-- ( saw one very "stoopid" guy, try--once !) Ron Rich

MattTech wrote:

LOL Rob!
I can understand your point quite well!
On occasion I also have DIY "putzes" - MAKING MY JOB HARDER THAN IT HAS TO BE, BECAUSE OF THE PUTZING!

I may sound "condecending" but....

People - stay the FRIK out of these things, and let us PRO'S do the work.
You're not SAVING some dimes because of your desire to be CHEAP.
In fact, most times due to putzing, it winds up costing more, and being more aggravating in the long run.
Not to mention it pisses us guys off.
We're TRAINED to know what to do - we don't need to scope the INTERNET for MISinformation (from other putzers) and "mods" which net little if any improvements!

I don't know about other professional servicers out there but I'm BACKLOGGED with requests from people...
And SLOWING me DOWN by making my job harder trying to UN-SCREWUP what some putz has done just makes the other people waiting have to wait even longer.

Not a good thing.

It's like - people want their cake and eat it too....
"Aquiring" a vintage product and thinking of cheap fixes for it...
NOPE!
You want vintage?
Great!
Then expect to have it restored, properly - if it's to provide the great and reliable service it can offer.

Spend the cash.
It's a one-time investment that you CAN'T negotiate or sidetrack by messing with it yourself.

Know your place.

Matt - I get what you are saying but it does come across as condescending. It seems to me that the jukebox owner market is shifting to guys who do like to putz. Purchase a broken inexpensive jukebox and learn how to restore it.

As far as a "competent" Seeburg jukebox repairman who does housecalls for less than the cost of the jukebox purchase, well, I haven't found one in my neck of the woods.

I agree Mark. Many people do want to buy a vintage jukebox and do their own restoration, and get enjoyment from it. My first was a V200 back in 1986. Harold Hagen and Mike Zuccaro were a great help to me at the time as I ran into many problems along the way. I removed the motor, trip solenoid, trip switch,tonearm, etc... and then stripped it down as far as I felt comfortable and cleaned everything in a large ultrasonic with pure ammonia! Damn mech still looks new. I know many jump into one and really screw things up but if you get a book on jukebox repair, as well as the owners manual anything can be repaired. I do oil my jukeboxes every year and I'm careful not to over oil them which is a common mistake. Over the years I've found I can repair most any problem on the several dozen jukes I've bought, but it never hurts to get advice from the experts who do this every day when you come across something you haven't seen before. I take note and gather as much information before doing any repair I haven't done in the past. I completely read the Seeburg Engineering Manual before restoring the tormat on the V200 as you can never gather too much information when doing a restoration for the first time. BTW my first V200 was very time consuming to restore but it is still running great and has given me no problems for the last 27 years...except the chrome doesn't look new anymore