ROWE CD100-E Jukebox

I had origionally posted on arcadecontrols.com and was told that maybe my questions might have a better chance on this site. So here it goes.

Recently acquired a CD100E, got a manual for it off of ebay. Now everything about the manual matches up with the exception of the MCC. So I origionally posted to see if the CCC I have and the MCC are compatible to which i was told that this unit must have had an upgrade to CDA12. So that much is fine so now i know the two pieces should work together.

So i bought the unit non functioning and dont have a lot of experience with jukeboxes. I have a fair amount with other electronics so figured it wouldnt be to complicated to get this unit working.

So upon powering the unit up this is what i noticed. Power lights on power board work. On the CCC at initial power up the 5v light turns on, and the board error light turns on. Then shortly there after the rowelink starts flashing, the board error light blinks then goes out. At this point the only two light are the 5v and flashing rowelink.

Upon powering up the MCC i noticed the 5v and the board error light. The board error light was flashing. There was some code that seemed to say no comms or something like that. And I assume that is because the rowelink light on the MCC is not flashing and because of the board error light.

I took these two board out of the jukebox and took them to work where i have more testing tools. I found that at least one darlinton array had a short in it. U7 and U8. I put in sockets and replaced both just to be safe.
Now both boards are on my test bench and i have the power connections between the two board. i also have the rowelink wires between the two.

So now that i have said all that. Here are my questions:
1. When power is turned onto the MCC should the rowelink flash like it does on the CCC?

2. Since replacing the U7 and U8 now i no longer get board error light, now i get the SCAN/TRANS light but none other. Would this possibly indicate that there still is no comm between the two boards? Like i said the two boards are on my test bench nothing else is connected to them.

3. Where would the general populous on here say the best place is to get up to date correct manuals? As I said I got one from ebay because it said it was for a 100e and all the stuff pretty much matches exccept for the MCC. I would like to get the pinouts and possibly the schematic for my MCC. I was told the schematics i have are for the CDM4 where as the equipment i have is for CDM12. And the two MCC units while performing the same type purpose are not wired exactly the same.

4. What is this scan/trans is it something that needs to be cleared before it will establish comm with the CCC?

Sorry so many questions just trying to wrap my head around what Rowe did and why the unit i have does not load CD or index or home or any of that stuff. It lights up nice and pretty and all just does not work. And I know the amp works and such because i can hook my mp4 player to it via the phone jacks and it works. So if i can just get the cd mechanism working that would be great.

Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you

Martin W.

Sorry, but you will need to read the manual, sort out in your mind, exactly what you have, and how it should work, at which point you can ask questions here that can be answered without re-writing the Service Manual-- Part #'s of the MCC and CCC would help also---NOTE:
"8" Volt power supply is critical---MUST BE 9 volts !!! (this is not noted in any manual !)
Ron Rich

Hello Martin,

Can you please confirm that your laser is the CDM-12 or CDM-PRO? As Ron says for both the CDM-12 & CDM-PRO the voltage needs to be 9 volts rather than the 8 Volts DC in the earlier CDM-3 & CDM-4 controlled lasers.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

Ok first statement is to Alan Hood, what is the best way to tell if the unit is CDM12 or CDM Pro?

Second this is to Ron Rich. I have been reading the manual and i think the 4 questions i asked are not answered in the book.

Such as should the rowelink light on the MCC flash just like the one does on the CCC?

On the CCC shortly after power on the Rowelink light starts flashing however the one on the MCC never makes any indication of blinking or anything.
And are all components in a Rowe Jukebox been made similar in that they flash when communicating?

Like i said this is my first time at doing a jukebox.

Next where would one on here look for good up to date manuals? As I said I purchase one and the MCC schematics and layout do not even come close to the unit i have. ALl the other components line up like the power supply, the CCC and such, but the MCC does not. And when i asked on a different forum about this i was told the manual i have covers the CD100E with the CDM4 and not the CDM12 and they were fairly certain given the part numbers i gave the parts i have are from a CDM12. But if it helps with things here are the numbers:

CCC - 61031101
MCC - 61086201
That is the components i have

And then the other question i asked was exactly what is the SCAN/TRANS and should it stay on?

Now you do mention the voltage, all the info i have says 8 and i know the power comming from power supply is 8.5 give or take a bit but fairly close to that. Is that close or should it be more on the 9 side and why?

The best way to tell which you have a CDM-4, or a CDM-12/Pro/Pro 2 is bu the part number of the MCC--that's why I axked for it--You have a CDM-12, or later MCC. Next to determine if a 12-PRO, or PRO-1, lok at the payer--If the base casting is not etched "CDM PRO", it is a CDM-12.
If marked "PRO" look at both of the small ends, of the PCB on it--if there is a (unused) plug on one of the smaller ends of the board, it's a -2.
Books are available at places listed above in this section--contact/call them to see if they have the CDM-12 addendum.
The scan/trans LED being lit, indicates one or more of those two motors should be running.
Service/trouble shooting section explains the "Rowe link" LED.
"--give, or take-- 8.5", ain't enough--player requires 9 volts, minimum.
Ron Rich

Hello Martin,

The CCC is the same number with different revisions and can be used with CDM-3, CDM-4, CDM-12 and CDM-PRO.

The Mecanism Control Computer number that you list is for use with CDM-12 and CDM-PRO only.
This does require the power supply to provide 9 volts DC.

Some pictures might help us understand what is going on in your jukebox.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK