Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

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Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by reddfam » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:15 am

When turned on, the Seeburg has good volume. After running for about fifteen minutes to a half hour, the volume noticeably decreases. This is true all the time. Trying to figure out where in the system this is likely to fall. i wondered if it is a tube failing after warm up, or same for a capacitor or resistor? Is it likely to be something in the AVC?

Needle cleaning is not the issue.

Appreciate any suggestions.
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Re: Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by Ken Layton » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:32 am

And this is after the amplifier was rebuilt?


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Re: Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by Ron Rich » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:02 pm

IMHO, this is a sign that the amp should be "rebuilt"--not just "recapped"-- I have found this to be a resistor changing value when warm-hot, most of the time. Ron Rich


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Re: Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by reddfam » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:47 pm

Ron, that fits with my suspicion. I wondered if it might be a resistor failure. That is the direction I will take.
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Re: Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by Ron Rich » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:13 am

You can remove the outside rear cover, and try some "spray freeze"---
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Re: Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by Rob-NYC » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:29 pm

reddfam wrote:When turned on, the Seeburg has good volume. After running for about fifteen minutes to a half hour, the volume noticeably decreases. This is true all the time. Trying to figure out where in the system this is likely to fall. i wondered if it is a tube failing after warm up, or same for a capacitor or resistor? Is it likely to be something in the AVC?


This is THE classic symptom of leaking capacitors. They cause this by becoming a form of resistor and leaking DC to chassis ground in some positions, and passing DC onto tube grids in others. The result is excessive conduction on the tubes which causes lowered B+ and distortion.

If not dealt with it will kill your tubes and possibly the power transformer. There is one capacitor in the AGC section which for some reason decouples to the B+ source instead of ground and this will cause lowered gain when it leaks. However, if it is leaking it is near certain that others are too.

Rebuild kits are well under $100 and if you feel capable with a solder iron, it will save both money and a lot of trouble/expense later-on.

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Re: Seeburg M100C Volume Decreases

by MattTech » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:04 pm

Yepperz, those red-plating output tubes can kill volume and cook a few transformers in the bargain.
A real expensive mess to deal with later on.
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