Seeburg Topaz safety pin not moving

Hello.

This is my first post here. I will try not to be an idiot

I have a Seeburg 100-77D that was out of service for several years and perhaps moved improperly. The mechanism would not move when I got it but manually spinning the motor a few times got it lubricated enough that it will scan now. When a record is selected, the unit scans to the correct slot and the record moves up a little, the clamp closes, but the record is resting on the safety pin and will not move into the clamp. I have tried to manually lift the release lever to no avail.

The safety pin is not all gunked up. It seems to slide back and forth OK. However it seems to be hitting some sort of lever attached to the release mechanism when I try and manually slide it out of the path of the record.

I have purchased Ron's mechanism guide as well as Tony Millers Red Box book. I sure would appreciate any help you folks can give me. I will remove the mechanism if necessary, and saw a Youtube video on clutch removal that I believe I could accomplish if need be.

Thanks in advance,
-Bob W.

Great--we attempt not to allow "idiot's" here !!!
First--Thanks for purchasing my Seeburg Mechanism Guide !
Second, If you read it, and the Service Manual, you should be able to answer your question !
( Hint--find the trouble-shooting section, in the mech guide)
Ron Rich

Thanks for the reply.

I am seeing a symptom in your book of "Mech plays the whole record side over without scanning. The safety plunger has not reset" I assume that is my symptom. I do not have a defective record as it does it on all selections. I also do not have two records in the same slot. The pin does not appear to be in a bind, as it will move back and forth a little, just not enough to clear the record path, with the release lever up OR down.

Maybe I can take some pictures, but one quick question for tonight. With the release lever UP, should I be able to manually slide the safety pin out of the record path? It looks like there is a cutout in the linkage to allow the pin to move over, but perhaps it is bent? When I try and slide the pin to the right, it hits the linkage before clearing the record path. I also cannot figure out what is supposed to move the pin out of the way. It appears to be spring loaded to stay in the path of the record.

I realize I am very new and likely going to ask some stupid questions. I will do my best to read and study and learn on my own, I fix home appliances for a living and have rebuilt a pinball machine , but this whole jukebox thing is very new to me. I sure do appreciate the help though.

Bob W.

Bob, has this mechanism been properly and -thoroughly- lubed? Get the mechanism over to the far right end (motor end) so that you can lubricate and then observe the clutch and safety pin linkage.

Rob/NYC

Bob,
Been thinkin' about this--try the following:
Remove the record from the most right hand slot--select that slot, and watch the safety plunger.
If it does NOT move to the open position, look at the record lift arm--has this come ALL the way up--
I suspect not--but let me know.
I doubt this is a clutch related problem--but I'm sure Rob is correct in that it sounds like a "lubrication" problem.
Ron Rich

Thank you so much. I do believe I might need to buy a service manual as I feel kinda bad asking for help without that reference.

What is "ALL the way up"? The end of the thing that pushes the record stops about an inch or so before the end of the sleeves in the rack. I cannot manually move it any further up.



I took a movie, I don't know if it helps. I pushed the pin out of the way with a screwdriver last night. and got the record to play. There appears to be a prawl attached to part of the release mechanism that moves out of the way for about a half second while the record arm is moving up. I used that opportunity to push the pin and it latched. The record played but the pin unlatched and came back into the path of the record so it could not return to the rack.

http://www.frontier.net/~bobwenn/appliance/IMG_1139.MOV

This movie is sideways because I took it with my camera. At the very end, I try and shine a flashlight on the thing I'm calling the prawl and the fat end of the safety pin.

Feel free to tell me to RTFM and I will order one and leave you alone for a while. I do not have the procedure to lubricate the mech so I am not going to guess where to lube and and with what without instructions.

Thanks for hanging in there with me.
-Bob W.

Again, that looks like it is bone-dry.

Put a couple of drops of light oil on that plunger shaft and work it back and forth. It retracts by spring force and by design that force is weak so that any impediment will stop the mechanism from scanning and consequently smashing all the records.

In advance of getting a manual you can at least lube the mechanism. Here is a lube chart:
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/Rob-N ... ort=2&o=16

Use the download option for better resolution.

Beyond that I'd wait for the manual(s). Tinkering will only cause more problems.

Rob

Bob,
RTFM--and parts manual (PM me if you would like to purchase my Mechanism Manual) -- Something really strange going on here--like maybe the pin actuator is missing ??
On the lift arm--stick you hand under there--as close to the gear as possible and pull it down a half inch ( mech must be in play position-no record), then let go--it SHOULD fly up with a "bang". Ron Rich

Ron, could this simply be a gummed bearing on the fork that retracts the safety plunger? I had a similar problem on the BL that had sat for over 30 years. All of this area works by spring force so it has to be free and clean.

Rob

Rob,

I think that's it! I did not see the fork or how it works to move the plunger until this morning. The bearing at the fork pivot is in fact all gummed up. I have dripped some oil and some PB blaster in there and have worked it back and forth a little. The pin is beginning to move now though not all the way out of the record path yet. I think with time and patience, it will free up. Once I get the thing mostly working, I intend to remove the mechanism for a thorough cleaning and lubrication.

I'm sure I'll be back and am ordering a service manual today. Thanks a lot for the help!

Bob W.

Guys, Yep-it's all "counter sprung"--both ways--If the actuator pivot is "frozen", I find I usually need to remove that darn "e-ring" (aka"sur-clip"), washer, and at least slide that arm PARTLY off the shaft, clean out the "gunk", oil with 20 wt., or it will re-freeze in very short time.
Ron Rich