help me with PRIMAPHONE

Hello, I'm a new user of phonoland, few days ago i bought this phonograph (in poland PATEFON ) i looked in google and i can't find if this phonograph is orginal and complete, mechanism is working, the plate is turning around.
i found this
http://books.google.pl/books?id=3DjL3WcQ2kEC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=primaphone+gramophone+co&source=web&ots=fvPQv0-yaD&sig=Ckrs28yrCCCkaXs68JwR-BlVkbg&hl=pl&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_Company


http://www.funjdiaz.net/gramofonos/ficha.cfm?id=57 in this url is logo of company but are difrent words

http://www.oldatheart.co.uk/horngram.html this is neer by maine but difrent nidle mechanism

http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/mack_fly/?action=view&current=75ecf8be.pbw this is primaphone prabobly

http://www.songster.de/dosen/p/primaphon/index.htm few primaphone but any mine

please help me if you can

i have 1 another question, maybe you know

on this picture is liaison of tube and the idle mechanism, the idle mechanism have 1 screw with two nipples and is mounthed to steel arm and goes in to entry of the tube, without anything like rubber or something, and its like detached, and i dont know if i have all necessary parts

best regrats and thank you

Why is the arm on the wrong side of the record?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this is what we refer to as a Frankenphone which means it was put together with parts from a bunch of different phonographs. The arm support and possibly the arm itself is from the reproduction phonographs that are made in India. The motorboard and motor are from a portable. The horn is reproduction (the fresh solder seam around the neck is the dead giveaway) but the elbow might be vintage or a better reproduction. The reproducer is vintage. The reason your arm, horn and arm support dont fit well is because they were never meant to be assembled together. The only original piece left of this phonograph is the bottom part of the cabinet. I hope you didnt spend too much money on this one as i think you been had.
-Tony

Hi HNC:

I agree completely with Tony. In fact, I was in the process of putting together one of my long-winded responses, when he basically put down all the points I was going to cover--but more succinctly than I could have.

These "Frankenphones" are quite common, and come up for sale on eBay quite often. Literally thousands were slapped together in India over the past 20 or so years; and more recently, in China. The major reason for this is the fact that gramophone surplus parts were readily available in these regions. Keep in mind, wind-up phonographs were still used in areas of the world, such as India, where electricity was scarce, as late as the 1960s/early 1970s. In fact, companies still produced 78 rpm records for these regions during that time -- SEE: Beatles at 78 RPM -- http://www.cool78s.com/

Hopefully, you didn't pay too much for it.

The back bracket on your Primaphone is an original swiss made back bracket, but the tonearm is a replacement.
The reproduction back brackets are usually made of aluminum & do not have the hole drilled below where the tonearm is attached.
These original back brackets were used on a wide variety of machines made in Switzerland during the 1910's & 20's.



Your horn is a modern reproduction, and the motor is an English Garrard from the 1920's, which has been retrofitted to the original case by cutting a large hole where the original motor would have been attached. It would be possible to make your machine more authentic by replacing the motor board, refitting it properly with a Swiss motor, and getting the right tonearm & horn. Unless you got the gramophone very cheaply, it could end up costing you a small fortune though.

Not trying to disagree with you Shane but the repro arm supports look almost the same as your authentic one. The giveaway that HNC's is a repro is the thickness of it. Thats why most of these got broken as the repro's were too thin to hold the weight of the tonearm and horn. A dead giveaway is once its all assembled the arm support leans to whatever side the horn is resting at, just like in HNC's picture. Yes they're that flimsy. I'm including two pictures for reference to show you that they look close and both of the pics show the hole drilled with pins. Even the tonearm in both pics are a match to the one that HNC has except his recieved a paintjob along with the support.
-Tony