Seeburg HF100G - problem selecting and playing record

I just got my HF100G back after being restored. I had drive it 500 miles to its home. I know now that the guy who restored it did not prepare it properly for shipping. Records were left in, mechanism was not bolted with the long bolts, just the 3 mechanism bolts were tightened.

So now, nothing happens when I try to select a record. The buttons act as if the jukebox is powered off. If I manually select a record by reaching under and spreading a pin (not sure what they are called) then the mechanism will seek out the record and load it. The tone arm will move against the record and I will hear an electric hum or buzz 2 times before the tone arm moves away from the record and mechanism tries to eject the record.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
-Jeff

Yeah,
Gas up, and go for a 500 mile drive.
Because I'd hold the, ahem, so-called "restorer" responsible for the shipping, etc., damage.

Well, I am going to look into recuperating any costs, but this is my wife's jukebox and we took it to get restored in 2008. We were told it would take about 2 or 3 years. It took 7. My wife has not been happy with me since it was me who found the guy and took it to be restored. I need to get this working ASAP for her. If that means hiring a local guy then so be it.

If you want to find a "local guy"--look at the posts above in this section, for a list of repair persons--but don't take it to anyone who says "years" to do it !!
Ron Rich

Here is a picture of it before I brought it home in case anyone is interested. I am going to try to post a link to a youtube video showing what it is doing by this weekend.

Arthur, the machine looks great. So, all other considerations aside, let's see if we can't talk you through the problem(s).
I think you have two separate issues here.

The rejecting w/out playing may be a stuck reject button. This is on the back just to the right of the electronic frame. I looks like a small brad. On these older models that reject sw comes to a two pin plug on the election receiver. Try removing the plug and see if a record plays through.

If the record still rejects, remove the mech cover, manually pull a pin and when it rejects, check if you hear a 'clack" of the trip solenoid. Don't be confused by snap from the popularity meter above the magazine. If the trip solenoid makes noise you should also feel it pull up the "trip lever". See this page and pic:
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While you have the backdoor open, check for all plugs being seated. Pay attention to fuses. There is one rated 2amp that should be lowered to 1.5 to 1.75 amp-slo.

Pic's of the rear inside cabinet and back of the electronics with cover removed would be a help.

if the amp and selection receiver have been rebuilt and the mechanism is clean (after 7 years it should be) the problems here should be minor and IMO, you'll just run the risk of creating more problems by taking to someone and bringing it back again.

I suggest a ordering a service manual.

Rob/NYC. The city of motorcades, helicopters and barricades. It is U.N. time.

Rob,
Too much "commotion" there today ? (I hate it when some "official" comes here--streets/freeways closed a HUGE, PIA, IMHO !)
The "reject button" on the older (at least thru the V models), was located somewhere on the rear of cabinet along the left side as viewed from the front, near the "slide rails". Ron Rich

Thanks for the help guys. My wife is going out of town tomorrow and won't be back until Sunday. So I will have a few evenings to myself after the toddler goes to bed. I will do what you suggested and report back my findings. I will also get more pics posted. I know people love pictures.

I can now select records. I feel like an idiot. He wired this for free play and however that was done, you now have to press a letter and number at the SAME time.

So I can now make selections, but they still don't play. I disconnected the reject button, but no change. View the YouTube video to see what is happening.

https://youtu.be/glKKT4KUWn0

Arthur,
Remove the mechanism cover and take another video--show me what the detent lever and the brake cam is doing--
As for the need to press/hold both buttons down, sounds as if some one has dis-abled the latch bar solenoid--
Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Arthur,
Remove the mechanism cover and take another video--show me what the detent lever and the brake cam is doing--
As for the need to press/hold both buttons down, sounds as if some one has dis-abled the latch bar solenoid--
Ron Rich

Heh..I was already uploading a video with the cover off. Let me know if this shows you the detent lever and brake cam as I am not sure what those are.

https://youtu.be/zTsFChcB-bg

The manual detent lever has that "X" that someone painted on it. That is pulled up by the trip coil and since that is not happening when a record rejects, it is mechanical. Possibly a broken or misplaced spring on the cam follower that controls the clutch member. The clutch adjustments may simply be misadjusted, but this would not happen all-of-a-sudden.

BTW: The hum that occurs when the machine starts, is that from the mech, or speaker?

Rob

Arthur,
Gotta Service Manual--or better yet, in this case, a copy of my "Seeburg Mechanism Guide"?
Your problem is that the clutch yoke pin is "frozen" to either the clutch yoke, #2 detent lever, and/or
the clutch housing. In this case, usually the clutch must be removed--that pin punched out and the whole area cleaned, re-lubed with 20 wt. ND oil.

Rob,
The "clutch adjustments" as most adjustments, on the Seeburg 45 rpm mech, do NOT un-adjust, nor re-adjust them selves !
The only time clutch adjustments need be re-done is if/when a part is changed, and even then, I have changed hundreds of "clutch members", re- checked the adjustments, only to find they were still well within specs. 99.9999 % of the time if one thinks "clutch adjustments" are needed, it is a problem with the lack of, or improper oil being used. As for a "spring"--that one, I anin't never seent neither ??? Ron Rich

Ron Rich wrote:Rob,
The "clutch adjustments" as most adjustments, on the Seeburg 45 rpm mech, do NOT un-adjust, nor re-adjust them selves !
The only time clutch adjustments need be re-done is if/when a part is changed, and even then, I have changed hundreds of "clutch members", re- checked the adjustments, only to find they were still well within specs. 99.9999 % of the time if one thinks "clutch adjustments" are needed, it is a problem with the lack of, or improper oil being used. As for a "spring"--that one, I anin't never seent neither ??? Ron Rich

Ron, cool off a bit. This machine was "restored" and it is not at all impossible that one of the clutch settings was either left unlocked (something I have both seen and done) or simply worked loose in the lengthy transit that mech went through. I assume it was working when it left the "restorer's shop. that is why I didn't mention the clutch pin/yoke. When those are stuck the malfunction is consistent.

FWIW: The 'spring thing" is unlikely, but that mech got bounced around for "500 miles" so just about anything can happen.

Rob