Seeburg usc2

Hi, We have a 1972 Seeburg usc2 that was working just fine, and unpluged it from the power and moved it about five meters across the room and put the power back on, all OK, sellected record 111, it scaned and stopped at record 276 and did nothing. Tried many selections and it would scan and always stop at record 276.

Well, Dude--
Just un-plug it again and move it back the 5 meters to the area in which it's happy--
All kidding aside--what do you want to do--fix it yourself, or find a pro to fix it ? In either case, please go into your profile and at least post the country you are writing from--the city might be even better---
Ron Rich

Thank's Ron,
If it is not easy to repair I will have to get someone to look at it, I know how it operates mechanicly but electrics are not for me.
Dude.

Dude,
You will need to post a little more info, as I have no clue at this time--
Ron Rich

Thanks for your reply Ron,
I have turned the jukebox on again and noted that the numbers on the left panel display 2-7-6, no noises from anything and all seems OK other than the numbers lit up. I then select 1-1-1, the unit scans twice, left, right, left, right and back to number 2-7-6 and stops, without loading the record, I then select 2-7-6, same again, scans twice and stops at 2-7-6 and nothing, I have tried other selections and the same, the left number stays lit on 2 all the time, no mater what I select, the other sets of numbers change acording to the position of the unit as it scans, this it has always done, but staying lit on number 2 on the far left is new to me. Im sorry I can not tell you more than that, as I see and hear nothing out of place, I have cleaned all contacts and checked all fuses and plugs are all pushed in.
Dude.

Dude,
You are welcome--
Your description of what's happening shows it to be "normal", except for the fact that the mechanism will not detent at a selected space. The "selection now playing" numbers "1" and "2", on that model, are controlled by the position of the tone arm cradle, and only will change when a different record side is played. Either will remain lit, till the cradle shifts.
In order to trouble shoot this problem, yo will need both a USC-1 Service Manual, and a USC-2 Supplement. IMHO, the two books that I have written ("Seeburg Mechanism Guide" and "Seeburg Microlog Trouble Shooting Guide") should be of considerable help also). To purchase any of the above, see "announcements --where to find"-- in the jukebox section of this forum. Ron Rich

Hello Bat Dude. I am certainly not an expert like Ron Rich but I have a USC2 Firestar like yours. When it is done playing all the records, my Firestar ends at lights 276 or 176 as that is where the mechanism stops when finished - that is normal.

What I think you are describing is referred to as the common "Seeburg classic scans back and fourth twice and doesn't pick up a record" which occurs to many seeburg jukeboxes for various reasons. It is described as Symptom 3 at seeburg website of Tony Miller who has passed on but his website is active:

http://www.west.net/~jay/fmillera/fmill ... ptom_3.htm

After you skim the above website I think you will realize that Tony suggests doing many different electrical tests to narrow down the problem. Since you state that you are not an electrical person - my suggestion would be to do the one easy thing and if it doesn't work then find a seeburg repair person near you.

The easy thing I mention is to CLEAN the connections for all the RCA type plugs. These connection gets loose and or dirty. Gently unplug and clean so it makes a good contact. There is an RCA plug on the control center and another RCA plug on the Amp next to it. I think another two RCA plugs are down in front to the left of the record rack by the gray box. Don't know if this will fix your berg but it can't hurt and only takes a couple minutes of cleaning (with it unplugged). Also you should check to make sure everything is plugged in - perhaps the movement made something loose.

If you don't have Ron's books you should get them. Also the manual for the USC1 (one year older model) is much better than the USC2 manual.

Mark, Dude,
(Mark--your check is in the mail--thanks for the "plug")--
Cleaning the RCA plugs will not solve this problem--when those plugs are not making a good contact on the ground side, the mech will select random records, or, if totally open, it will select one record after another, right on down the record rack.
One thing about my late friend Tony's trouble shooting guide, which I helped write--it is "generic"-he wanted a "one size fits all-quick" models guide. Some of it applies more to other models--that was the reason he encouraged ( and helped ) me to write the "Microlog" model trouble shooting guide.
On the service manual---Seeburg never published a Service Manual for the USC-2. They offered the USC-1 Manual, and a Supplement Manual ( showing only basic differences in cabinet wiring). If you purchase from one of the "legit" sellers listed above, you should get both items, when ordering for a model USC-2. Ron Rich

Ron - Thanks for explaining that about the RCA plugs.

Thank you Ron and Mark for your input, I think I will have to look at getting someone to look at the Seeburg, and getting the books that you talk about Ron. I have the books that came with the unit, but most is beyond me. Plus I will check out the site Mark, Thanks.
Dude.

Not sure whether or not anyone actually answered your question, the thread just ends without resolution.

When mine has done this in the past, all I have had to do is clean the Tormat contacts with a plastic-safe contact cleaner (you can get it at Rat Shack). The rivets get dirty over time and cause the unit to miss selections. The contacts run underneath the record rack and counter, there are two rows of rivets (bumps facing up) and I just spray some of the contact cleaner onto a soft, clean rag and gently rub over the each one. You will have to take the lower-front glass panel off to do this. If you do not know how to remove the panel, you just open the top lid and grasp the inside levers on each end of the glass panel and lift up and out. If you have an installation/operators manual, it shows how to do this. Unplug the unit from the power first. Good luck, love the FIrestar!

Bill,
If those contacts are "getting dirty", it indicates a problem with the detent switch, or "marginal-adjusment" of the TMU.
Ron Rich

In my case, it's rare that I've had this problem. Mainly when I first got the machines and they were dirty. We also have a fireplace nearby the area where the jukes are located, so naturally, some of the dirt from it makes its way into the jukes. These things are dust magnets!!

It is years since I worked on Seeburg's but I would not use any spay of any kind to clean a tormat, we used to use a pencil rubber (eraser) and wipe off with a lint free cloth.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK