Seeburg Wallbox Identification

I recently received a Seeburg wallbox for a Seeburg DS-160 and I can not find any serial numbers on it that will identify it. The person I received the wall box from did not know which one it is. It looks like the 1958 3w200 in the always jukin' pocket price guide and always jukin' advised me to use the S-3WA as a price guide to value it. I found a service manual/parts manual for the S-3WA, D-3WA and HD-3WA wall boxes. Any advise how I can determine for sure the actual model of this wallbox is in order for me to service it properly?

Thank you
Darrell

Darrell,
Remove the cashbox--there should be an ID tag there--if not, send photo's of the insides, with the program display removed, and I can probably ID it for you--
Ron Rich

Thanks Ron. I do not have a key as the previous owner did not have one. Fortunately, the key slot did have an S followed my three numbers. I have a key ordered and when I receive it I will open it up and see what I can find for an identification number or markings that would assist in identifying it. Will get back with when I get it open.

Darrell

While waiting or my key, I was looking at the manual it appears that there should be a blue, green and orange wire coming out of the box that connects to the coresponding terminals marked BLU, GRN and ORG (ground). This is all easy to follow, exept my wall box has a yellow, green and red wire coming out of the box? I am hoping that when I can get the box open that the terminals insaide the box will be marked BLU, GRN and ORG (ground) so I can figure out how to properly kook up these obviously miscolored wires that have replaced the original wiring. Anyone have any ideas how to figure this out without the box being opened?
Thanks,
Darrell

Darrell,
It will be ( unless the color sheet is missing) marked on the inside--
If you have two of those wires that are "thicker" then the third, you can measure and find the one that goes to ground--that will be the "orange". The other "fat" wire would be the green, is "hot", and the skinny one the blue,"signal"--
I would advise you NOT to hook it up till you can open it. "Stuff" falls all over in there when shipped, and can cause failures if not removed prior to power up--- Ron Rich

My wall box keys arrived and I now have the box open. Just as you said Ron, when I remove the cashbox there was an ID tag there. It is a SW160 Sewrial No, 2978.

Also as you stated there was a color sheet marked on the inside that revealed the Red wire is attached to the ORN terminal, GRN wire to GRN terminal and Yellow wire to the Blue terminal. I assume to hook the wall box up to the juke box I would attach the Red wire to the ORN terminal, GRN wire to GRN terminal and Yellow wire to the Blue terminal below the cinch plugs and if everything is working I should be able to make selections from the wall box, is this correct?

Are there any precautions you would take prior to attaching the wall box to the juke box?

Will this wall box work with both a Seeburg DS100 and a DS160?

I have a service manual/parts manual for the S-3WA, D-3WA and HD-3WA wall boxes, will this apply to a SW160 or is there some other manual I should be looking for? I have not found one that relates to the SW160?

Thank you
Darrell

Hi Darrell,
I am not sure if you have the model # correct---
I have no idea what "cinch plug" you are speaking of as the DS has a three wire terminal (screw type) connector for wallOmatics. I think the colors are screened next to the screws. If not see the DS service manual. WOM should be oiled with SAE 20 Wt motor oil, as per manual.
Yes it "will work" with both a DS-100 and a DS-160. the title numbers will not correspond, on one or the other, as the numbering system was different on them.
"S-3WA" manual applies--just that yours will have two less buttons. Ron Rich

Ron,

As for the model, I copied what was on the ID plate behind the cash drawer: "SW160 and Serial No. 2978".

The cinch plugs I referred to are J551 and J552 that are located just below the stepper unit as shown on page 50972 in manual. Right under the two cinch plugs is a 3 lug terminal board that I think is where the wall box wires would be attached and is the point you make reference to(three wire terminal (screw type) connector).

Will lubricate WOM and see if it works.

Darrell

OOPS! "SW160 and Serial No. 2978" should have read "S3W160 and Serial No. 2978"

Darrell,
You do not need to do anything to the "Cinch-Jones" plugs--just connect to the 3 terminals--WITH THE POWER OFF ( or you will "blow" the fuse !)
Ron Rich

Ron,

I understand. One last dumb question. The WOM does not have a free play button like the juke box does. Is there a method to make selections from the WOM without putting money in the WOM?

Thanks
Darrell

That model designates it is a "(S)ingle price", "3 (W)ire", "160" selection box. Almost a "bullet proof" model--specially if oiled--Ron Rich

Darrell,
The jukebox and the wall box are not designed to "play for free", they were designed to MAKE MONEY !!!-- If the phono has a "button on it", it is an added "feature".
The WOM can be made to operate at no charge by removing the credit ramp and inserting one coin. See the Service Manual--do NOT "bend" the ramp--remove the one screw holding it and save it -- Ron Rich

Ron,

According to the people I got the WOM from they were using the WOM. I attempted to make a selection from the WOM and the WOM lit up and the motor ran but the juke box never attempted to select any record and the select-Omatic never moved?

The A key and the 8 and 9 key are all in the pressed (down) posiition. Is there an easy way to free these keys up so they are not in the down position?

Thanks,
Darrell

Is the select lamp lit ? If not, deposit a quarter and see if the motor runs--you should be able to unlock any button by pressing another one of the same type.
Do you have a 2050 tube installed in thee RCSU--in fact, do you have an RCSU in the phono ?
Ron Rich