Seeburg 100jl problem

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Seeburg 100jl problem

by buzman » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:02 am

I just bought a Seeburg 100jl. The problem I have is that after rejecting records, it starts scanning
and keeps scanning until you press for another selection. It works fine except for this issue. I just
received my copy of Ron Rich's Seeburg mech. guide, but I do not see anything about
this problem in it. I havea seeburg 222, which "parks" at the right side when done. But that's different
than this as far as I see. Also the copy of the seehurg mech guide I have is blurry as far as schematics,
so that does not help me either. Any input is appreciated, Thanks


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Re: Seeburg 100jl problem

by Ron Rich » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:30 am

Thanks for buying the Guide--please read pages 10-11--answer is there ! Also, shown in your Service Manual--
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Re: Seeburg 100jl problem

by buzman » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:56 am

Thanks, I will look at that and go from there.


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Re: Seeburg 100jl problem

by Rob-NYC » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:21 am

For those dealing with this sort of problem and not "blessed" with a manual, some basics:

There is a small single conductor wire coming from the pin memory. This wire when grounded completes the circuit that pulls-in the Play Control relay in the stepper box. Disconnect it using the small plug on its cord. If mech stops scanning, something is shorting the scan contact rail to ground even when a pin is not selected.

If the mech keeps scanning with the scan wire disconnected the problem is either in the mechanism's "carry over" contacts not opening as the clamp opens, or in the selection receiver. Open the stepper box and look for the play control relay at the left of the letter stepper. It's contacts only have two large wires. With mech scanning check if that relay is pulled-in. If it is, --carefully-- (120vac here) tap the phenolic contact guide and see if it then releases. If it does, the relay armature is either gummy or has residual magnetism.

If it stays energized you'll have to trace it back through the aforementioned 'carryover" contacts in the mechanism.

I haven't had one of those E-M Seeburgs in over 26 years so there may be a point or two I left out, but the above are the basics.

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Re: Seeburg 100jl problem

by buzman » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:13 am

Thanks,Rob, I will look at that. I have ordered a manual also.


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Re: Seeburg 100jl problem

by buzman » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:44 pm

Ok guys, I have worked on this problem three times. Checked all the contacts/settings. The thing plays
well,but keeps scanning when done with selections. Play control relay is ok. What is happening is that
either it scans always, or if I adjust contact D wrong,then it starts to put record back and stops. If I
push up cam switch lever when this happens, then it will finish putting record back. It seems like no
in between. WTF? I think I am missin something simple. At least it plays and I have music,
lol. Also just picked up a HF100G today. Needs a litle TLC, but all in all a nice unit.


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Re: Seeburg 100jl problem

by Rob-NYC » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:59 am

or if I adjust contact D wrong,then it starts to put record back and stops.


That is what these older mechs are -supposed- to do. The clamp opens slightly and all action stops. They do not scan out because there is a direct electrical relationship between a selected record slot and the scan function.

This is a prime example of why it is recommended that people get a manual if they have not worked on this type/make of machine before.

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