Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

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Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:16 pm

When I put a coin in make a selection hear a click from the back and it will not scan or raise the pin in the pin bank but when I move one of the pins in the pin bank say a1 the record arm will raise up and play a record at the other end the mech will not move to the pin that I have raised. I have checked the plunger to make sure that it has pushed the pin under it back and it has but it will not scan to the next pin. If I hit the eject button on the back the record arm will go down and then back up to play the same record over and over. If I put all the pins back to center and hit the eject button the record arm will come down and come to rest and is about a inch up like its not going all the way down but I can bump the scan switch to make it go down. I have lubed and cleaned the mech and contacts the only thing I have not done is taken the pinbank part and cleaned it could this be the problem. The only way I can get the mech to scan is in rest mode is to flip the safety switch on the mech near the clutch but after it plays a record it resets and I'm back to the mech not scanning and the record arm going up and down when I eject it please help me out my hair is getting thin Thanks guys for your help.


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by Ron Rich » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:09 pm

Junkman,
First of all, I HOPE that your A never "ejects" a record !--That would be one heck of a mess ! I have never seen an A do that--but I have seen later 45rpm models do it--
Sounds as if you have multiple problems here. Also sounds as if the are all "ground related".
Do you have a Seeburg Service Manual ? If so check all grounds between the ES/mech./and WSR.
Check that the latch bar solenoid has a ground from the ground side terminal strip, to the metal casting-these often are broken. I assume the "select lamp" is not lit ?
Please use terms in the Service manual--
I also suggest that although I did not "cover" the model A in my Seeburg Mechanism Guide, it should be helpful, as the operation is the same on a 45 rpm, pinbank phono. (PM me if you wish to purchase it).
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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:05 pm

I have checked all grounds it's like it's stuck in play mode and when I add credit the select light is on and when I make 6 selections the light goes out and when I make a selection nothing happens to the pin bank


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:16 pm

Should I rebuild the pinbank?


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by Ron Rich » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:22 pm

Yes-no--depends on if the SAU is bad--didja check the 2 A SB fuse ? Didja check the ES?, Didja check the CCU ? I would do those first--
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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:28 pm

Hi Ron first I just want to say thank you I've got it to scan the safety switch was sticking that was causing the repeat play got that . Just can't get it to make a selection using the ES I still have to move the pins by hand ccu resets 2 fuse is good my head hurts is there anything I can try


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by Ron Rich » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:39 pm

Look at the SAU, when you make a selection--is the group relay energizing ?
If not, check the CCU--and the one ohm resistor attached to the bottom. If it is firing, check the circuit in the contacts in the CCU, ES and plugs--you can plug the ES and SA unit directly together on that model--( if you are not using the stepper).Ron Rich


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:13 pm

Ron it seems to be dirt in the push buttons and found a bad ground on the pinbank do you know of a easy way to clean the push button contacts. Thanks and I think I'm going to have to go into the pinbank and clean it it's very dirty


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by Ron Rich » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:33 am

I clean the ES as follows:
Remove it from the cabinet--remove any "glass" that's attached, remove the latch-bar solenoid, ( and meters, if so equipped), spray ammonia into it, let it soak, and rinse out. Best done outside, on a hot day! Repeat, if needed-- Ron Rich


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:50 am

Thanks Ron I will let you know how everything turns out U the best!


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by Ron Rich » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:13 am

P.S. "Work" the switches when wet---


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:10 am

I got the pin bank apart and cleaned and what a job. It took me all day but it selects like it should . Ron thank you for your help on that. Now I'm going to move onto the cradle and tone arm issues it's just all out of adjustment


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Ron, Just when everything was looking good and moving forward. The jukebox reaches out and smacks me across the face and says "not so fast I have a few more riddles for you." If I can get past this everything else looks good. Its the allignment of the tonearm and weight I have tried everything that I know of and need some fresh eyes . The box has been converted from 78 play to 45 and has a pickering cartridge with offset bracket.When the record goes in it seems to want to eat the record .can someone please tell me how to make these adjustments. I have been trying for a week and no luck. Thanks


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by Ron Rich » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:37 pm

Junkman,
If you asking me, Ron Rich, that question, sorry, I have never done anything to a "converted" A mech.
Hopefully someone else will "chime in"--If not, and you know which "conversion kit" was used, you might check www.flippers.com as John has posted the instructions for two different brands there-- Ron Rich


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Re: Seeburg M100A Truobles Need Help!

by junkman » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:32 pm

Ron, I have got the balance of the pick up arm I think. So I have moved to the next issue. When I play a record it sounds very bad thought it was the cartridge but its not . I think it might be the amp the reason I think that I can run my pick up wires to a working seeburg jukebox and play it thru that amp and it sounds good. Guess what I'm asking should I recap the amp do you think that will fix the issue? I have never recaped a amp before s it very hard? I have seen some kits on eBay or is there something I should try first I have cleaned all connections. Thanks terry

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