rockola 490 supersound

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rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:30 pm

I have a electrical problem.i powered up my jukebox;it put the recrd on turntable;started playing.then I was smelling something burning.quick like. then it blew slo-blo fuse.it smelled like transformer fried.so to make long story short. I purchased another power dist. unit;power supply,but forgot how I took off ground wires.which order.so I installed 2nd unit. did same thing as firt one. now I have 3rd unit coming.and afraid to hook it up. so what may my problem be? I hace wiring schematic. operator manual. puzzled.


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by Ron Rich » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:16 am

You have a short circuit--somewhere--not necessarily in the power supply.
You will need to trouble shoot the phonograph,and find/fix the short, BEFORE installing the new PS.
As for "order of the grounds--if you are talking about all of the single ground wires connected to the post, in the PS--it makes no difference. Ron Rich


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:46 am

thank you,Rich. I have wiring schematic. will try to troubleshoot it out. if not have to try to find someone to look at it.


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by clones » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:53 am

Hi
Which fuse did it blow, maybe post a photos
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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:05 pm

it blew fuse on bottom of power supply.lighting and remote and volume control are beside it.theres a filter with german writing;mounts with a bolt inside towards the bottom,that smelled burnt.has 2 wires n each end with male and female connectors.


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:28 pm

i took power supply out of jukebox. plugs it in.worked just fine.so i have external component problem.will put it back in;hook up one thing at a time;then see what will blow circuit. is this wise?


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by Ron Rich » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:02 am

How do you know it "worked just fine" ?
What size fuse is it--did you replace it with a same type/size ?
The "lightning bolt" in the triangle is the international sign for "Danger --hi voltage"
What does the "German writing" say ?
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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:29 am

iput a5amp 250 volt slo-blo fuse in it.that filter problem was in my 1st power supply. i took cover off this 2nd. one;it didnt have that filter in it. i now have 3rd power supply coming from a working juke box. i know this soundsconfusin.before ether power supply would blow fuse within 2 minutes. i pulled the last power supply out of machine.plugged it in with no load for 5 minutes didnt blow the fuse. all the 4 voltage lights were lit.seems ok.so now would it be safe to install back in jukebox and hook up one plug at a time to find that bad circuit?


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by clones » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:52 am

Hi
some of the Rockolas in particular for the European market were fitted with mains supply voltage filters inside the power supply and possibly on the lighting circuit. Previous Rockolas i have had with defective or leaking filters would cause a fuse to blow or fuse to trip in the house
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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:29 am

mybe that's where my problem is. the 1st power supply ad german filter. funk-entstorfilter. made in w. Germany. can see one end of it got hot. so do you think this circuit is in the lighting? if so I ould hook everything up;try it then plug in lighting,to see if I blow circuit. is this feasible?


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by Ron Rich » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:42 am

I don't consider that to be a safe way to do trouble shooting -
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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by rodeoclown12 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:28 am

i going to ship it out to get looked at. theres a place here in kansas that can test them. i thank you for all the help,Rich. sorry to be such a pain. i love my jukebox;gonna get it fixed. lonnie


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by clones » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:12 pm

Hi
I have bypassed the filters before but the safest way would be to replace the filters, it should be fairly obvious if you have a filter on the lighting circuit
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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by Ron Rich » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:40 pm

Clones,
To the best of my knowledge, "spike arresting filters" are installed on any machine using a computer, to prevent incoming spikes from "messing up" the computer program. Since I don't have the schematic on this RO, I can't imagine why a "filter" would just be on the lamp circuit ? Also, as far as I know, all jukebox makers specified "with condenser" lamp starters be used, on all computerized jukeboxes. This is done to protect the computer from spikes. Ron Rich


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Re: rockola 490 supersound

by clones » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:37 pm

Hi Ron
have seen it recently on a 477, one in the power supply and one on the lighting circuit, although it was well hidden. You also find them a lot on the German Wurlitzers and they seem to always cause problems, at this stage they are due a change
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