looking for info on silverstone phonograph

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looking for info on silverstone phonograph

by lon » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:48 pm

This is a floor model
Just lookig for instructions and what can be played on this phoograph
Any help will be great
Thanks Lon

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by Record-changer » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:32 pm

A floor model what? A Silver-STONE Phoo-graph?

Sounds like a cooking implement.

I need more information - 100 years of it.

SilverTONE made everything from acoustic players to surround sound systemsin its many decades of existence.

Acoustic players generally can't play anything newer than around 1932 without wearing out the record.

Silvertone 78 players play lateral records. That means Edison records and early records by non-Victor brands won't play.

Later silvertone models could play two speeds (33 and 78), three speeds (33, 45, and 78), or four speeds. Very late Silvertone record players had only 33 and 45.
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help

by lon » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:47 pm

can we post pic's here do we post links??
maybe that will help you help me
I know very little about this item we bought it at an auction
Thanks for your help
Lon


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Silvertone Phonographs

by Joe_DS » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:54 pm

Record-changer wrote:A floor model what? A Phoo-graph?

Silvertone 78 players play lateral records. That means Edison records and early records by non-Victor brands won't play.


That's true for all post -1925/6 Silvertone "Tru-Phonic" models which were designed to play the (by then standard lateral) electrically recorded records. The earlier, deluxe table and full size Silvertone phonographs came with a small, easily lost zig-zag shaped adapter along with a recessed storage plate under the lid, near the needle cups. The plate was marked "Edison Pathe."

When affixed to the end of the tone arm, the adapter would position the sound box facing front for playing Edison and Pathe discs--though special styli were required for each record type, as described on this page from the Silvertone manual at Nipperhead --->

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The full manual appears on this page -- http://www.nipperhead.com/silver.htm Just click on the thumbnail images to make them full size for printing/viewing.


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heres pic's of what we have

by lon » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:44 pm

it's a link to 4 pic's
Thanks for all your help
Lon
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bethany750/ ... 22429301/0


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Silvertone Phonograph

by Joe_DS » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:18 pm

That's a nice model--near the top of the line--circa 1920. I used to have that very same one, but in mahogany.

The generic Silvertone operator's manual I provided a link to in the above post should apply to this machine.

From what I can see, the Pathe/Edison adapter has been attached to the end of the tone arm in place of the one for lateral (standard) 78s such as those made by Victor, Columbia, etc. If it's missing, it may be a challenge to locate a replacement, but you could probably find a similar complete tone arm on eBay or from one of the Phono parts suppliers listed on this page -- http://www.proaxis.com/~settlet/record/links.html -- under Accessories/Restoration, near the bottom of the page.

I don't know what to make of the blue-green paint! You might be able to scrub that off, with a Scotch Brand scrubber sponge and some oil-based wood soap, without disturbing the original finish--providing it is still in place. (I once used Simple-Green and a Scotch scrubber sponge to remove paint from a Credenza cabinet.) Also, the velvet pad--dark purple or red--is missing from the turntable. You may be able to find a replacement from one of the shops listed in the above link.

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by lon » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:26 pm

I have looked at the link you posted
Man I am so lost
I'm not for sure what I'm looking for?
What do I look for on ebay?
I know I'm asking alot but we bought this to put in
a room my wife and I are doing of old furniture
It would be cool if we could bet it to work and get
records to play on it
Thanks
Lon


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Silvertone

by Joe_DS » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:58 pm

lon wrote:I have looked at the link you posted
Man I am so lost
I'm not for sure what I'm looking for?
What do I look for on ebay?
I know I'm asking alot but we bought this to put in
a room my wife and I are doing of old furniture
It would be cool if we could bet it to work and get
records to play on it
Thanks
Lon



Here's a photo showing the sound box in the proper position for playing standard type 78 rpm records in which the groove is modulated sideways and can be played using a conventional steel (or thorn, cactus, bamboo, etc.) needle --

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As can be seen in the photos you provided, the sound box on your Silvertone phonograph is positioned with the mica diaphragm facing toward the front of the cabinet--instead of to the side, as in the above photo. That position is for playing Edison Diamond Discs (with a special diamond stylus) or Pathe discs (with a special ball-shaped sapphire stylus). Both types of records employed vertical modulation in which the recorded groove bobbed up and down.

I'm not sure what the exact part you need is called, but if you get in touch with one or more of the repair shops I referred you to in the above post, and tell them that you need "an L-shaped adapter for playing standard lateral 78s on a Silvertone phonograph," and send them a few photos of your machine, they should know what you are talking about.

If an L-shaped adapter is not available as a separate component, they may be able to sell you a complete replacement tone arm. You will need one that is gold colored or plated to match your machine.

As for the turntable pad, they may have velvet in stock. If not, they should be able to supply you with a felt cover.


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by lon » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:11 am

I think I have that se pic
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bethany750/ ... 22819194/5
if so then all I need is record and the velvet right
I mean if it works the way it should
Thanks Lon

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